BEST/MOST "BON JOVI'S NEW JERSEY" ALBUM EVER

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Finally had to toss a coin between UYI and Dangerous, went with the latter on the strength of Heavy D's earth-shaking, instantly iconic guest rap.

went with the former on the strength of Alice Cooper's earth-shaking, instantly iconic guest rap.

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I don't think there's much doubt that the most "New Jersey" album on this list is Backstreet Boys. It may even be a better example than "New Jersey" itself.

That's what I voted for, after hovering on New Jersey for awhile.

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finally voted for Dangerous

justice

(breaks a glass)

i wish i had listened to The Long Run while the poll was open, it has probably the best set of singles of any of these albums

Michael Jackson, Dangerous (7x platinum) 10
Bon Jovi, New Jersey (7x platinum) 1

ILX, I just don't know about you. Unless those were 10 votes for "best."

I voted Dangerous for "best".

In that case, Dangerous gets 11 votes.

I think I could make a use your illusion 1 disc edit as good as dangerous

easily

Can't wait for Drake to put out one of these.

(Probably structurally impossible given the way albums are marketed now, but man, his "Get In The Ring" could be astounding.)

say! Afteburner is good! I'm totally loving "Stages."

"Sleeping Bag" is banger.

Both Metallica's and Jay Z's Black Album fit this thread pretty well.

So 'And Justice for All' was Metallica's 'Slippery When Wet'?

yeah I think that works

Wrong on both counts, though I'm sure The Blueprint 2 is flattered.

first, I don't see where in the original description it says it has to be the IMMEDIATE consecutive follow up to a huge album. Second, I think it definitely works for Metallica if not for Jay-Z.

I apologize for the first post leaving open the possibility a New Jersey could just be a big album you don't like from an artist you never liked again but if you read more of this old thread and the old thread before it you'll see you are wrong

I think the Black album is too complicated - a sign of things to come for fans of 80s Metallica but millions of younger fans got into the band because of that album. Much more than if you compare NJ being an introduction to Jovi.

The Black Album is way too much of its own thing, tbh its not a million miles away from REM circa Out of Time and how that compares to the impact of Green. Huge difference. Whereas NJ following on from Slippery is so much more of 'as you were'

Load is probably Metallica's NJ: huge sales upon release (like 3 mil in two months iirc), singles were big on rock radio but disappeared within 3 years.

If Metallica had put out a studio album circa Live Shit, that could have been a New Jersey.

Load/ReLoad probably qualify. I would be sympathetic to those albums if only for the fact they weren't exactly hot on the heels of the Black Album, unlike the real New Jersey album. By then we're getting into the late 90s as opposed to the early 90s and the climates a little different, even for bands like Metallica.

Christ, never realised how fuckin long Load is.

Right, put in in there.

if they had an album that qualified it would be Reload - 4x platinum (only one disc less than load!), remembered if at all for a marianne faithfull hook, "ARE YOU UNFORGIVEN 2???" and GIMME FUEL GIMME FIYAH GIMME THAT WHICH I DESIRE. Followed by St Anger. But it's hard to give the title to an album that already announces itself as Not Quite A True Follow-Up. I chafed at including Rattle & Hum for the same reason, but there was popular demand.

while one could note the drop from black album to load is far steeper than the drop from reload to st anger, the black album simply can't be a New Jersey because it still sells like hotcakes and still makes Best Albums Ever lists. Whatever personal distaste people feel, any album that is canonical cannot be a New Jersey - New Jersey's are always albums that SEEM like they should be canonized based on commercial success, but aren't.

which is why Rattle and Hum fits

except the albums before and after rattle sold way better (rattle also was a double LP, meaning they should even fewer copies than the 5xplatinum suggests). But we went through all this over a year ago - I included it and my personal pick as a New Jersey, Grammy Album Of The Year winner How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb.

shipped even fewer, i mean

rattle & hum seems like the odd man out here because "the gig is up" meant something very different for u2 than it did for bon jovi and pretty much all the other examples here. they reinvented the gig with the followup to the followup. if you follow up your new jersey with your revolver, that pretty much means your new jersey wasn't really your new jersey, doesn't it?

exactly. where How To Dismantle genuinely was a hollow follow-up to All That You Can't Leave Behind, selling almost as much, and winning a ton of grammys off of far weaker songs (UNO DOS TRES QUATORZE!). And the follow-up to THAT was No Line On The Horizon. But some people have a hard time distinguishing New Jerseys from big albums they don't like and general grand follies imo.

hell for a live-outtake-double-grabbag to have songs as enduring as "angel of harlem" "desire" and "all i want is you" is actually impressive

but you never hear those songs anymore! for a 5x platinum album does anyone think "I gotta hear Desire today!"?

the whole pr explosion was absurd, and that they pulled off a comeback like achtung baby was indeed impressive. but they did. Achtung Baby is not Keep The Faith, History Volume 1, New Adventures in Hi-Fi, Recycler, Flick Of The Switch, etc

and U2 never hit Joshua Tree sales again. it's true the decline has one bump but otherwise the sales gig never was the same, and R&H was the typical NJ retread

I mean I'd be happy with a separate rock folly category for stuff like R&H but I don't know what else fits

i don't think live/outtake/grabbags that are followed by the second biggest album of the band's career qualify as a new jersey and you're going to have to accept that, just as i accepted 5 people would want to vote for it on the poll. and if you don't know what else fits you should read my umpteen posts about atomic bomb

Achtung Baby shipped 8 million last I checked; it may have matched TJT by now.

no I mean for follies like R&H

in a sense it's "folly" status is overstated - a precipice they were lucky enough to back away from. it's a little embarrassing, but not as much as it looked like it would be.

it's a little embarrassing, but not as much as it looked like it would be.

true, which makes it the opposite of a new jersey, really. new jerseys seem legit at first, at least for a moment, but are eventually revealed as embarrassments. rattle and hum seemed embarrassing right away -- you could almost argue that was intentional -- and, as croup says, seems a little bit less so now.