Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

No word yet on what will happen to Rory's misogynist car.

For those who haven't seen it:

DON'T DO THIS PLEASE

sorry, won't happen again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy1sIXLIyf0

"My other Tardis is a Delorean"

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A little tribute to Doctor Who, featuring me (as 11) and my teacher (as River Song)

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The promo photos of the new girl remind me a lot of Bonnie Langford, they both have that cheesy smiley-ness.

Haha Leee, that's great

:-D

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loved this. also brilliant to see the new girl in action (and she's smart).

Ambivalent. THAT character was just too much like one of Moffatt's characters from Coupling - she spoke flunt sitcom. It'll be interesting to see how the end is resolved without it being all River Song again as well.

Amy as a model surely confirms the 'two sets of Ponds' theory required to make last season's timelines work too.

That, and the whole divorce because Amy didn't want kids (um, River? Hello?)

new girl looks like a pal of mine (hands off, she's taken)

Well to be fair, that's not exactly normal 'having kids'. But with no concept of how much later this is - Amy is still a successful model, so not >5 years (?) - it doesn't feel like long enough for the resentment/guilt to have grown to that extent for her to feel like she had to leave. Particularly if it's a no fault divorce (which it must have been - her ego is too big to accept the blame, as shown when it's such a big emotional thing her admitting she threw him out; and he loves her too much, as he says in the same speech, to take the blame for it all so they can split up quickly) where they must have been apart for two years already.

I didn't get why/how it took the daleks a year to find them. That wasn't explained at all.

waht, I thought she *couldn't* have kids

Amy as a model surely confirms the 'two sets of Ponds' theory required to make last season's timelines work too.

idgi

I didn't get why/how it took the daleks a year to find them. That wasn't explained at all.

a few dalek things didn't seem to gel terribly well, but I took the whole dalek conceit to be an excuse to tell a particular story about the leads, and just let it slide

Two Ponds:

At the end of the episode with Craig in it last season, Amy is recognised in the department store by a young gril as a famous perfume model. This is also the day before (as shown in a newspaper The Doctor reads) the events of The Impossible Astronaut, which doesn't leave enough time for that Amy & Rory to get to Utah. So it must therefore be a different A&R that appear in TIA - not least because her career as a model isn't mentioned in either of the series, either in building to her fantastic success or being recognised at any point by anyone other than the little girl despite being on billboards. (See also perfume name coming directly from the dialogue in The Doctor's Wife)

The easiest explanation is that the Amy & Rory dropped in their dream home with a dream car at theend of the one with the space minotaur are 12-18 months further back and live a different life, never to meet each other. The Ponds that receive the invitation in the blue envelope, for example, don't live in the dream house - which the Pond Life interior shots prove.

But I did all this in the thread last year I think.

oh god yes, I forgot about the perfume model thing, cheers

Wait, is that a serious suggestion or just a convenient explanation for shoddy plotting?

Episode was ok, I guess - got better as it went along. Direction/pacing/action a bit lacklustre. A few shots at the end reminded me of that terrifying scene with the robotwoman the end of Superman 3.

I was so fascinated yet repelled by that superman 3 scene as a kid!

This was alright, yet I found it pretty tiresome. Maybe I'm a bit bored of Doctor Who as it's currently done. WOuld love some more small-scale stuff at this point.

CGI dinosaurs in the next one look properly shoddy.

THIS WAS FANTASTIC

I remember when Daleks used to kill people with lasers instead of by boring them to death with shitty melodrama.

Admittedly it's been a while.

I really enjoyed this. Esp my favorite Who thing which = TRAPEZOIDAL HALLWAYS. Found the girl a bit too gabby but overall kinda likeable.

My biggest problem with Pond/Rory is that every time they go for a tearful relationship moment that's v touchign I'm just left kind of cold. Because I don't really like their relationship anyway and I'm not a huge Pond person. The timeywimeyness of their relationship also confuses things too, bc you're not sure which version of them it is and all that other extraneous stuff.

Anyway that was p yay and fun.

THIS WAS FANTASTIC

^^

I had a surge of irrits at the Amy model scene bcz of the timeline being so unclear but apart from that loved it*. Sooooo dense and fast, this was like a six-parter rammed down into 48 mins.

*OK they should have made MUCH more out of using all those old Dalek designs.

SPOILER POST

I was surprised that they addressed the "Rory is Amy's puppy" thing so directly but lolled that it was resolved by Amy doubling down on Rory's puppydom (was that REALLY the first conversation they had about her infertility and does Amy not know what adoption is?)

A little annoyed at the idea that causing the Daleks to forget who the Doctor is (and do they have no permanent records?) would cause them to stop attacking him - attacking (or enslaving) anything that isn't Daleks is very much their MO.

They were going to attack him, he got in the Tardis in time to escape. But there would have been some confusion that a strange dude had just appeared in their parliament that would probably stall them from immediately attacking giving the Doctor time to showboat a bit and get away.

There are two Amys and two Rorys wandering around at some points, the model Amy is later in her personal timeline than the one in Utah. But after Utah they go travelling with the Doctor so there isn't that much overlap with the dream home, I think.

Episode was okay, I felt kind of uninvolved by it. I don't think the character we saw in this episode is the actual new companion - the companion is supposedly called Clara Oswin rather than Oswin Oswald - and there's an explanation on the way.

Ah no, I meant the Daleks in the Intensive Care ward, when he was first wiped from the Path Web.

I did like the 'Doc..tor' scenes, reminded me of Dalek.

*scene

EGGS!

EGGS!!

Hens. I hate hens.

I still kind if think he should have rescued Oswin anyway

excuse my ignorance but is that not the New Companion?

It's the same actress but possibly a different character? By law every companion has to have featured in the show previously, now.

They've only done that with three of them, right (Martha via her cousin, Donna, new girl); everyone else has been introduced as a new character in the episode where they travel with the Doctor

Karen Gillan was one of the priestesses in that Pompeii episode.

Yus - though I am not counting Rory. Because he doesn't fit.

Except all the implications from Moffatt and her imply heavily this is the same person, which makes it different to Martha and Amy.

Hence my how you resolve it without being all River Song same-person-earlier-in-their-time-stream-when-you-both-know-how-the-LONG-future-pans-out.

Maybe that's what the whole "River, you changed history!" thing from the season teaser is about

Could be. Although it does smack of just re-using ideas (which is my whole Moff big thing, just as this episode reuses "Corner of the Eye").

What implications?

Can't see him taking her as companion from earlier in her timeline, because that would wipe out the Dalek memory deletion, which is obviously his big idea for making Dalek adventures potentially more intersting (ie about their actual schemes, not just them shouting at the Doctor for 20 minutes as soon as he appears)

There are two Amys and two Rorys wandering around at some points, the model Amy is later in her personal timeline than the one in Utah.

Only if he drops them at the dream house years before their adventures with him, which hasn't been clearly indicated in the show.

Can't see him taking her as companion from earlier in her timeline, because that would wipe out the Dalek memory deletion, which is obviously his big idea for making Dalek adventures potentially more intersting (ie about their actual schemes, not just them shouting at the Doctor for 20 minutes as soon as he appears)

Unless the doctor puts the idea in her head. Maybe they meet earlier in her time line, later in his and he has to put her back there on the asylum and give her the wipe the dalek memory idea in order to prevent breaking time (again)

(was that REALLY the first conversation they had about her infertility and does Amy not know what adoption is?)

OTM. My problems with that scene: you HAVE a kid, she was called Melody, then became River. Remember? Oh yeah, and if you really want kids, you can adopt or foster some, you idiots.

I did really like the "OMG she's a Dalek" reveal, I have to say. I thought she was going to be a robot or the ship's computer. Would like it if she becomes his companion as a Dalek, but I guess that's highly unlikely.

Another annoying thing: PLEASE STOP SAYING "DOCTOR WHO?", IT IS AS ANNOYING, IF NOT MORE, THAN FUCKING "SPOILERS".

Dalek memory reset is fantastic, it means the doctor can just go around having adventures, battling aliens and this whole messianic thing can be laid to rest.

Unless the doctor puts the idea in her head. Maybe they meet earlier in her time line, later in his and he has to put her back there on the asylum and give her the wipe the dalek memory idea in order to prevent breaking time (again)

Given the strong intentional character development since School Reunion designed to not have the Doctor make his companions lives worse, and that he already wiped one's memory and emoed out about it, I doubt enormously that Moffatt would have him give a companion her fondest dreams while knowing all through their years of adventuring together that he was going to wipe her brain when he was done with her or she started to look too old.

OTM. My problems with that scene: you HAVE a kid, she was called Melody, then became River. Remember?

This is in no way the same thing as raising children yourselves.

Oh yeah, and if you really want kids, you can adopt or foster some, you idiots.

It's not fair to call Rory an idiot, as he is 100% shown to accept that they won't have biological kids. And the entire break-up is specifically shown to be BECAUSE Amy is being an idiot about it, that she has built up "Rory wants kids" in her head into "I am inadequate because I can't give them to him therefore I'm blowing up the marriage."