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Gaddis' Recognitions is well worth it, in my view, although it does require an investment of both time and concentration. It's true that Gaddis limits his thematics--in all his books, really--in a way that leads one to think that he could likely have done with some serious tightening, but of his 3 long books, The Recognitions is the one for which that's least true, where all that stormy circling round the eye actually turns to upward/downward spirals, where the sidelong torments over authenticity and forgery lead to depth of expression rather than extended polemic (which JR and Frolic, but not Carpenter's Gothic, tend to tend toward, although JR succeeds because it pressure-filters the polemic into high melodrama in a manic Altmann/Nashville mode [including the wide-framing technique, the broad relief], whereas Frolic merely attempts to overcome the tedium of its assault through more of a highbrow slapstick, which is hilarious in certain cases, but mostly drowns the book in overwrought agitation).

So Frolic's the one I quit on, half through. Had to.

Finnegan's Wake also seems like an obvious book to stop during, one of those cases where the book seems to demonstrate its point far too soon, then crank, and crank, and crank, until the valve or the gasket breaks. You end up feeling a bit like Chaplin through the gears, or a victim of Rube Goldberg.

And for whatever reason I can't read Mann for the life of me, nor Eliot. Both just seem thudding and awful.

M.

Matthew K (mtk), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

What Gaddis would you reccommend for a beginner Matthew? im thinking Carpenters Gothic (cos it's short!).

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Jed,

I'll still say to read the Recognitions first-- people make the same mistake with Pynchon, reading Crying of Lot 49 first because it fits in your ass pocket, and then thinking that Pynchon's much more pop or cutesy than he eventually turns out to be (although I'd make the argument that 49 rehabilitates itself not once but three different times over the course of the book, an odd and unlikely feat for such a little thing).

Anyway, Carpenter's Gothic is a good, extremely claustrophobic elaboration for Gaddis, but _very_ dry, and a bit slight, in comparison to The Recognitions--it's wonderful in the company of JR and The Recognitions, but by itself doesn't really do what the other two were able.

The Recognitions contains, IMO, the main kernel of what Gaddis does for the rest of his career, and is the only one I'd feel comfortable saying that one could read and then forgo the others. It may be his most readable, as well, excepting maybe the 200 pages after the halfway point. Stick it through. It's one of the few books where I can honestly say I felt palpably _changed_ after having read it. Although, granted, that could have been a sign of age: I've grown prematurely crotchety about this sort of thing. But nonetheless, there was a time when it slipped right through the bobwire and downed a calf or two. It happened. I bled.

Best,

M.

Matthew K (mtk), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

cheers Matt - i'll seek out the recognitions then, although i like "the crying..." and thought it was a decent if not representative introduction to Pynchon. Having said that - the only other thing i have got through by him was "mason & Dixon"

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link

Underworld, after the Giants - Dodgersv with Jackie Gleason and J. Edgar Hoover, I just didn't care about the waste management guy.

P Gray, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

"Life of Pi" I am a very selfish reader. Usually if I can't identify with a character or situation in like the first 40 pages, I chuck it.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry to hear that about the "Life of Pi." I need to read that and "Noble Nofleet" for a book club on the 23rd. I suppose I will give it the old college try nonetheless.

(sallying), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

Life of Pi didn't really get going for me until the end of that first section. Then it careered along like an out of control locomotive.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

Dino - gawd, I nearly started boozing myself just to forget HIS boozing. :-)

nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

Infinite Jest twice. The first was at age 17, when it was mostly over my head. I got to p. 100. The second was last year; I understood it better, but it seemed so pointless. I got to the same place, maybe a little further. What irks me is I have a couple friends who worship the book, and I keep feeling like I'm not being patient enough or something.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

I started reading Anna Kavan's "The Parson" the other day; it's total crap, so I hurled it far from me. I love vintage Kavan, but this was an unpublished manuscript found among her papers and should, in my opinion, never have seen the light of day.

R the V (Jake Proudlock), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

Speaking of Eco, how about 'The Island of the Day Before' or
'Baudolino'? I dived in on both only to come up gasping for air half way into both books. I loved 'Name of the Rose' but I wonder if he is trying too hard with his later books.

Steve Walker (Quietman), Monday, 12 January 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago) link

The Long Gray Line or The Thin Blue Line or something like that. It's a massive journalistic thing about West Point Military Academy. I may have been hoping for something more scandalous, like Susan Faludi's NYer piece on the Citadel. The book had too much of a buy-in to the values it depicted.

Another nonfiction book I had long meant to read and gave up on was Common Ground, about desegregation violence in Boston in the 1970s. In order to provide sufficient background, the author seemed to have started in about the 1400s.

And The Museum Guard by Canadian novelist Howard Norman. Too repetitious, material stretched too thin. I know it was a style thing, but still.

Janet Gurn-Soosy, Monday, 12 January 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and the novel Great Neck, about wealthy Long Island youngsters who become civil rights radicals. Several reasons: the author had some irritating tics, he ceased to develop the characters as people once they appeared on the political stage, and he had that whole parallel-life-as-comics-characters thing going. (Why are comics so popular in novels right now?) The only person I could possibly stomach that from would be Jonatham Lethem. I loved Motherless Brooklyn but would have to kill myself from despondency if I read Fortress of Solitude.

Janet Young, Monday, 12 January 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

My vote goes to Sarah Waters' Fingersmith and Katherine Neville's The Eight. The latter book is the only one I've ever thrown away (out a 2nd story hotel window at Harrison Hot Springs -- ok, I might have been a little tipsy) just for its incessant introduction of famous people in cameo roles. "Here's George Washington, and oh, here's Benedict Arnold." Blah blah blah.

I bought Fingersmith after two tremendous reviews, and was thoroughly annoyed by the book. Prurient piffle.

Surprised to see Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 (a wonderful tale) and Eco's Foucault's Pendulum and The Island of the Day Before (both of which I thought were significant fun) in this mix.

Mark Rose, Monday, 12 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

'Citizen Soldiers' by Stephen E. Ambrose. Not that it was pulsatingly bad or anything, I'd just had a gutful.

writingstatic (writingstatic), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
i'm having real trouble with the god of small things at the moment. even the chapter titles are making me cringe : "paradise pickles and preserves," "pappachi's moth"... fie!
it looks like there's going to be lots of cutesy magical realism employed to point out that family secrets and repression are a bad thing, and i'm tempted to just abandon the whole thing. anyone want to convince me otherwise?

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

What's A Book You Started To Read Recently(Or Not So Recently)Where All Of A Sudden You Decided-Hmmm-That's Enough,Thanks!


thats all i seem to do at the moment.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

The Crimson Petal and the White. I got about a hundred pages in, was not enjoying it particularly, was not hating it especially, looked at the few hundred pages of ostentatious heavily-researched detail and overwritten prose left, and decided I'd had enough. Liberating.....possibly the first time I'd given up on a book since College, when Robinson Crusoe was impossibly dull...

David Nolan (David N.), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry to hear that Faber's work put you off, David. I was completely enthralled by that novel - the opening words of being invited in to witness what was happening pretty much sucked me in and then I was a goner. It was moralistic in places, and almost too polished, but I found it to be a rewarding time investment for myself.

I recently found myself fighting though some of Flaubert's Parrot, but eventually stuck it out (and I think that I am glad that I did so). And I was ready to toss An Instance of the Fingerpost with the middle two narrators - but someone coaxed me through that, too.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 5 February 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

it looks like there's going to be lots of cutesy magical realism employed to point out that family secrets and repression are a bad thing, and i'm tempted to just abandon the whole thing. anyone want to convince me otherwise?

Lauren, you're right on the money. The book does not change. If you don't like cutesy magic realism, I'd advise you to bail now. Back away from the book.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 5 February 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

I've failed to get past page 100 in the Corrections twice, but I'm slightly determined to try again because everyone raves about it (like in another thread I was just reading). But Franzen's style is so overly ornate (I whine), and I suspect he hates his characters. But then I tried and failed to read A Suitable Boy twice, too. Until I got the flu! Now it is one of my all time faves--I want to read it again, all 1400-odd pages. I hated when it ended. So the flu has a bad rap.
Now Infinite jest-- I wouldn't recommend that to anyone but tennis players. But it has patches of brilliance

Donald Nitchie, Sunday, 8 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

Are you serious about A Suitable Boy, Donald? I've a hardbound copy of that gathering dust (literally being used as a bookend, at the moment), thinking that it looked too intimidating and overwhelming - oh, and my mother said she didn't like it, but she thought that I would, which can be a death-knell in any book that she gives to me, I have to admit.

So what is so excellent about A Suitable Boy and what can you tell me that might get me to the point of pulling it down and replacing its current employment as a bookend with Stephenson's Quicksilver?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 9 February 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

Where should I begin... A Suitable Boy is a tour de force of successful homages (Thackery, Hardy, Austin, Tolstoy, Shakespeare even-- why not?) and yet it's also, in the end, just a fantastically romantic page turner about a girl finding a boy (and not, perhaps, the right boy, but then again, who knows?) that leaves you (me, anyway) wondering where all the old school novels you can lose yourself in have gone. It's like Austin because of the importance of the "right match" and the hilariously absurd families, Thackery because it's so sweepingly comprehesive and convincing, Hardy because of the grueling snapshots of the Calcutta slums (and its nihilism always in the background), Tolstoy-- well maybe not Tolstoy, but it definitely seems Russian; hard to keep everyone straight. Funny, my mother recommended it to me too, and I resisted. But if you give it a chance it'll pull you right in. The main problem is, it hurts to hold it up for so long. It would make sense to tear it in two...
It was also my favorite window into that part of the world until I read Mistry's A Fine Balance. Which is equally good, but shorter, and more focused.

Donald Nitchie, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

*swooning* Okay, it's being removed as a bookend and will soon be read - excellent job selling me on it, Donald. Many, many thanks.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago) link

Erm, can I clear something up?

The author of Pride & Prejudice, Emma etc is Jane AustEn. AustIn is a city in Texas with a lesser literary reputation.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:03 (twenty years ago) link

It's steamier, though.

All Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

Norman Mailer's new 'un, The Spooky Art.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

James Joyce's Ulysses. First 30 or so pages of the book: Interesting. Second 31-60: tedious beyond belief. Rest of the book: I will never know.

Monkey Powered Reading, Friday, 13 February 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Return of the Native. ugh.

Lindsey, Friday, 13 February 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

Hey! Return of the Native is ace.

Improbably romantic names + long descriptions of trees and flowers x Menacing Weir = Hardy in his prime.

It's all about man vs nature, with nature influencing all the major characters in various ways. Particularly the Dorset maiden who gets drowned in the weir.

A gloomy affair, but worth perserverence.


MikeyG (MikeyG), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

Tom Wolfe's The electric kool-aid acid test.
I think I'd read a hundred pages when it dawned on me that this was not remotely interesting, nor did his writing entertain me.

I used to have a stance that when I'd first started a book, I'd finish it. Alas, a few Stephen King books killed that idea for me, as there was no way in hell I'd finish "The Tommyknockers" and "Needful Things".*

Oh, I also stopped reading Gormenghast, but that was because it was a library book that had to be returned; I had been dumb enough to keep it lying about for far too long before flipping it open. Very enjoyable, both easily read and highly evocative. THIS is what I want fantasy to be like - in fact, it's the first fantasy type book I've read that I can truly say I've enjoyed. I figure I'll just buy the trilogy omnibus eventually.

Jack Vance - The Demon Princes.
Yes, that might be just about the worst title ever. It took a friend's constant bugging to finally convince me to give it a shot, but I didn't get much past chapter two of book one before I said "ehh, go to hell!"
It might just be because I've not had any urge to read any science fiction in a long time though, as I didn't mind his writing, and the story seemed like it could go interesting places, despite the distinctly western-story opening.



*should that full stop be inside our outside the final quotemark? I usually put it inside if it's a proper quote, but outside if I'm quoting a title.
Quote!

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

The Tommyknockers was one of King's "coke" novels. I think that might even be the one that he said he didn't really remember writing! Hence, the not-very-scary idea of a flying man-eating coke machine.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

By the River Piedra I Sat Down and Wept. Bookstore employees have access to Advance Reader's Copies, and if they're small and you've heard some buzz about the book or author you think you should be informed -- after getting sucked in that way in the early days of (forgive me) Bridges of Madison County, I Was Amelia Erhardt and similar trash, I got twenty pages into Coehlo, said "You're doing it again" and tossed it.

The best statement on God of Small Things was from a friend who said "She wrote a conventional novel and then hit the Randomize button on her computer."

Possession's neither that good nor that bad. My sister rereads it once a year. I made it through for a book group, but did so by saying "Oh -- clever pastiche of Robert Browning for the next fifteen pages -- duly noted. I'll come back if I've got time." All the old English majors did the same thing and finished. Dutiful people of other backgrounds tried to read the poems as they appeared and didn't finish.

"and pickwick papers."
This is one of the few times you need to stick it out -- Sam Weller doesn't show up until Chapter Five or so, and that's when it takes off. Huck Finn's got the same problem, of course -- the great book starts late and ends early, with dumb chapters in both directions. But then, he didn't know he was writing a Great Book.

rams, Saturday, 14 February 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

The Tommyknockers was one of King's "coke" novels.

Is this true? Did he have a cocaine addiction in the 80s?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 14 February 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

yes he did. and he was an alcoholic. it might have been Cujo that he doesn't remember writing.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

The latest unfinished book was Michael Faber's The Crimson Petal and the White . I was hoping for great things but I found it far too mysogynistic.

dr. b. (dr. b.), Monday, 16 February 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

Georges Perec, Life a User's Manual. Everybody tells me to read this book. I get 10 chapters in and feel like I'm in physical pain. Any suggestions?

Pokey (Pokey), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Tylenol?

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I'm sad to see all the dislike for God of Small Things here. While I can't quite wriggle out from the cutest magical realism charge, I just found it incredibly powerful - one of the best novels I've read in the past five years, certainly the best first novel. I tend to dislike "lush" writing, but I find Roy's prose gorgeous, and gorgeous to a purpose. And the structural oddness doesn't seem at all gimmicky or artificial to me - it contributes clearly to the power of the book, particularly at the end. And maybe the magical realism charge isn't quite fair, now that I think about it. I have never been able to read Marquez, for instance, because it seems to me often as if the language creates the conceits rather than vice versa. E.g., the famous first line about discovering ice. My completely unknowing guess is that Marquez thought the line just sounded intriguing, like a great first line, and then built a novel accordingly. But what magic is there really in God of Sm. Th.? It's been a few years, so I could be forgetting something, but the stuff about that novel that really sticks with me - the sex scene at the end, the drowning, the movie theater - is all strictly of this world.

David Elinsky (David Elinsky), Sunday, 23 May 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with ALL criticism of "A Suitable Boy" - one thousand boring pages. I like William Vollmann, but I can't make it through many of his books.

aimurchie, Sunday, 23 May 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i've never been able to make it past the bananas bit in gravity's rainbow. my mother's ugly hardbound '70s edition has been moved around from house to house and city to city with me, and lord knows i've tried but the fact remains that i just can't do it. the book sits there on the shelf, bearing mute testimony to my intellectual shortcomings. i think it's going back to the parents soon, for good.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 23 May 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i read all of gravity's rainbow during an extended stay in spain as it was the only book i could find in english & i hated most of it except for the banana scene. i am completely willing to accept that it is because of my intellectual shortcomings, though at the time my main complaint was that the thing seemed like some dark, perverse fantasy of someone i can't even imagine. no emotions/ideas in it resonated with me at all as being true/beautiful/interesting. & it struck me as somewhat oppressively masculine.

in pynchon's defense, i tried to read "v" when i got back & made it only about 40 pages in before quitting because i had no idea what he was talking about (literally).

j c (j c), Monday, 24 May 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate to disappoint David but criticism of The God of Small Things is well-deserved, as far as I'm concerned. It's Midnight's Children in drag, and I didn't like Midnight's Children much either. I finished them both, but wouldn't expect anyone else to do the same.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Seduction Of Morality by Tom Murphy. It started off so well but it was shit after about 60 pages.

Fred (Fred), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometimes a book or author just doesn't interest me. Robert Musil is that one for me. Tried to read 'A Man Without Qualities' twice and failed both times. I will usually find something else to read and tell myself that I will go back some other time to finish the book. Maybe I should just give up. I had trouble with 'Infinite Jest' as well, merely because the book is too big to carry around with me. A book has to be totable or so engrossing I can't put it down. Wow, having just typed that I sound so lame.

boodkwarf (bookdwarf), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Tenants" by Bernard Malamud. It is both so inherently racist and boring that I was forced to rant about it.

schmutzie, Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Infinite Jest and Gravity's Rainbow are two that I've tried to start several times, and after the first few pages, even, I just have to set them aside. Call me ignorant, call me lazy, call me what you will, but I just couldn't do it. Every time I pass my bookshelf with Gravity's Rainbow, I think, you sumbitch- someday I'm going to finish reading you. Self imposed guilt about not finishing a book must be healthy on some level.

tomlang (tom), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Ulysses. I bought it when it was on sale at my local bookstore, but it's still sitting up there unread.

Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. I loved loved loved the foreword and the theme flow chart, but the beginning wasn't that great. I'm all for squalor and description, but I wasn't digging his mom puking in a bucket. McSweeney's rocks, though.

Bright Lights, Big City. The book's still good, and I eventually finished it, but it doesn't live up to the promise of the first 20 pages

Will Sommer, Friday, 28 May 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I was thinking about starting a McInerney thread. Perhaps next week, I have football on my mind at the mo.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Also D Barthelme’s 60 Stories is kinda the ne plus ultra of easy pomo reading, I love it

i do, what’s wrong with that? so? what now? (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 15 December 2023 18:37 (four months ago) link

I read Barth's The End of the Road and some Coover and Barthelme over the years but my brain lacks the dendrites or whatever to absorb them.

i have been enjoying diane williams and gary lutz collections of stories. they are inspiring to me in a pomo way. i read a couple here and there for a boost.

scott seward, Friday, 15 December 2023 18:56 (four months ago) link

I'll tell you who I've been rereading with pleasure: Joy Williams. What a story writer.

Ya she rules. My favourite Carver collection is Cathedral, whereby Gordon Lish had free rein to posthumously divorce the late Raymond from his Hemingway affectations. I found out about Williams via the Lish connection

i do, what’s wrong with that? so? what now? (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 15 December 2023 19:06 (four months ago) link

i've been reading her since breaking and entering came out and been a huge fan ever since. she has truly inspired me over the years. she has always been big with other writers and i think she is finally better known with regular folks as well. partly because of her environmental stances. (i'm sure you will find me raving about her years ago on ILB and wondering why more people don't read her and now i feel like people really are.)

scott seward, Friday, 15 December 2023 19:30 (four months ago) link

Yeah her early stories and first novel, State of Grace---Florida girl clouds ov imagery around crisis lines, narrative third and other rails---were revelatory to me, though haven't followed her very well since. A relatively recent New Yorker story seemed unfollowable, and interviews can incl. some Joyce-Carol-Oates-on-Twitter-level snobbery, but the early stuff, at least, is fine as wine.

dow, Saturday, 16 December 2023 19:05 (four months ago) link

she's 79 and still doing stuff. god bless. i think she's always been a little cranky.

scott seward, Saturday, 16 December 2023 22:14 (four months ago) link

I know that I've heard some of her stories read on "Selected Shorts," and I've loved them, but I can't think of what they were.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 December 2023 22:23 (four months ago) link

I didn't discover her until 2021, and the rhythm, brevity, and its gnomic virtues gripped me from the start

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 December 2023 22:27 (four months ago) link

"Marabou" was definitely one.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 December 2023 22:30 (four months ago) link

love that joy williams and gary lutz have come up, they are the greatest

a friend of mine once compared my writing to gary lutz which is an amazing (and undeserved) compliment

ivy., Saturday, 16 December 2023 22:40 (four months ago) link

ada was one of my favorite books forever ago! reckon these days it'd make my eyes roll so hard they corkscrew out the back of my skull

+1 to the bible-giver-uppers: i was never a believer but in my teens decided i should read it for its literary and cultural value (and also to brag) but within the first few pages god cursed eve and all womankind so i ripped it up and set it on fire because i absolutely do not play that

🍍🥧 (cat), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 14:55 (four months ago) link

more recently i tried frederik pohl's beyond the blue event horizon and it was like chapter 1: "no young man, do not commit rape. there is only a 1 in 6 chance you will enjoy it enough for it to be worth the effort lololol" chapter 2: "dear diary, it sure is tiresome to be a forty year old dude on a cramped spaceship with my bitchy wife and her bitchy 14 year old sister who keeps trying to seduce me, guess there's nothing to do but keep beating the ship's (female) computer at chess lololol" and there were some promising sci-fi concepts to begin with but a writer has to be way more entertaining to get me to power through that much hatred

🍍🥧 (cat), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 15:11 (four months ago) link


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