I just like the word "gobshite." Gotta think of a way to include it in my vocabulary somehow.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
from a limey.
― scott n., Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
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All that and Sky Saxon's shrivelled cock.
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― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 14 March 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
What I've read of "Against Health and Efficiency" is quite fascinating re: the childlike (not childish) air of indie-pop, the ethereality, the focus on memories and childhood and innocence lost... I do agree with SR that a drive for an "Edenic state of purity" (his words? it's a cliche anyway) is the real motive behind indie-pop... hence the phenomenon of kindercore and, if you look at mainstream emo music as being heavily influenced by indie-pop (and I do, there's cross-fertilization all over the place) you see it in things like chris carabba singing about "making out" at 30+ years old. This is not to say that such things are bad; it's just interesting to see an unofficial hypothesis of mine in print as an academic article, and done back in the mid-80s no less. Sort of reinforces my current opinions, gives me a wee bit of confidence.
What do you all think about that article?
― justin s., Monday, 12 May 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
Funny... had a conversation with a friend of mine over the interweb about this very subject... my eventual resolution as to the asexuality/coy adolescent sexual perspective is just kinda germane to this style of music, surmised in my idea that it just wouldn't sound right if pasty emo-rockers began to sing about "getting their freak on"...
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link
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― justin s., Monday, 12 May 2003 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
justin s, I have an unproven theory that the accuracy with which one may define a genre has an inverse proportion to its relevancy. It sounds like the rap slang jess talks about in Dismemberment Plan songs serves to strengthen the genre boundaries in place rather than complicate them, at least the way he describes it. Not really an "Olé" as Frank might say. Which is why, at least on this front, I like Limp Bizkit more; when they drop slang it's not "realer" but it doesn't throw up a wall either, or ironically call attention to itself, it does something else.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 May 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link
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― justin s., Tuesday, 13 May 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link
it's not about keeping people down, it's just fucking obvious - it would be ridiculous for morrissey to start making cars and girls records like ludacris, and it's not out of order to say that he should stick to repression and bicycles... people have their own metiers and it's ok to push the boundaries, but completely overstepping them is never rarely too clever also the way in which sex is discussed usually corresponds to the overall aesthetic of the music in question, that's all i was saying... i mean for crying out loud how crapulent would it sound if chan marshall started to spit lil kim-style lyrics? both are pretty good when being themselves, but this kind of fusion would be pointless, unconvincing and daft...
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Article Response: Indie Kids
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Snrub, are you being funny. Google is your friend--you'll find Simon's latest book and his blog and maybe some articles for magazines.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Saturday, 13 May 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link
"I also had to wonder again about where all these reactionaries actually are. Maybe I live in a rarified world, but I don't know anyone who thinks albums are intrinsically superior to singles. I'm not sure I've ever met a person who espouses that much-pilloried view about singers not having written the songs they sing being inauthentic and thereby lesser."
Yes Simon, you do in fact live in a rarified world. The attitudes you describe are still in full effect and believed by most consumers in a knee-jerk way. The reason people priviledge those things (or variations of those things) and treat those beliefs as natural is because they form the very basis of western values - i.e. rockism doesn't just come from the rise and study of popular music, it is a symptom of a larger cultural tendency. To think that rockism no longer exists in one form or another is a fantasy.
― i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link
All I would add is that anti-rockism is exactly like deconstruction (or maybe simply is deconstruction?), useful in its historical moment, or as a stage in an individual's personal history, as an anti-schlerotic of thought... but very much about the elimination of reasons to value, care, feel passionate, get worked up, etc. Its logic is one of discrediting ie. eroding the basis of beliefs, and indeed of belief itself, in favour of a pleasure-principled agnosticism. The net effect tends to be a kind of negative egalitarianism: not that all things become equally valued/valid, but that all things become equally trivial. (And that logic dovetails with aspects of late capitalism, digital culture, mp3/ipod/etc etc).
I don't know about anyone else, but reading that take I think not only is there nothing per se negative about what he outlines to me -- as much as there are implications otherwise, obv. -- but that the idea of 'a pleasure-principled agnosticism' is kinda my idea of a dream!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:53 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Tim (tfinne...) (webmail), May 3rd, 2001 1:00 AM. (link)
Jeez, years later, but if you still think so, I would ask why you feel that radical feminist theory has to be taken into account. Or: How does radical feminist theory (if that is indeed what is being employed in this book) result in anything resembling fairness or truth in The Sex Revolts?
Much of the book seemed to me to be a ploy, framing male behavior as one of two possibilities: 1) PHALLOCENTRIC or 2) the womb-fixated baby. This is not feminism aimed at empowering women, but rather to merely disempower men.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― xero (xero), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link
If you told me 5 years ago that every hyped indie rock band in 2009 would sound like Ariel Pink, I would have said you were crazy
Sounds like paradise. Which bands are you talking about here?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 29 November 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
that change in dance music was mostly the genre adjusting to the internet...prob a lucky time for a facelift
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 29 November 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
this thread is hilarious, btw, i wish Whiney and Deej could get Weird Science computers to create living embodiments of their respective constant stubborn talking points so that they could go out and eat ice cream and play video games while Talking Points Whinebot and Talking Points Deejbot battle it out
― henry man see u (some dude), Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what 'talking points' does whiney have? as far as i can tell hes consistently burt_stanton-ing w/ constantly misguided cultural mis-observation
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Sunday, 29 November 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
well a lot of the time they are just deej^(-1)
― crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
yo dog...thanks 4 dat shineblockas tip
trakk iz bangin'
― rizzx, Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
none of your medical mumbo-jumbo dr., just give it to me straight
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
you have 3 months to live...until you are suggest banned
― we be emi robin' (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
The lack of "narrative" or "big new important thing happening" is different from there not being any good rap music. Obviously there's plenty of good rap music out there, and obviously there's a lack of any big new important thing happening in rap. The latter is Simon's real beef, because his best writing about the BNITH in popular music. He says there's good shit, but no narrative. There's plenty to listen to, but not as much to read about and write about and think about, at least nothing substantially different from what's come before. This is why all the hip hop mags are dead/dying, and why no one pays anyone to write about hip hop. Unless you are SR or SFJ.
― Gavin, Monday, 30 November 2009 07:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i think things are happening but that its more difficult to tell exactly what those things are w/out the charts to orient yourself around -- it was easy to create a narrative when it was, like, "hmm these neptunes sure are popular."
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Monday, 30 November 2009 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty sure hip hop mags being dead/dying has nothing to do w/ whether or not there are existing narratives
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Monday, 30 November 2009 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link
the state of popular rap in 2009
― curmudgeon, Monday, 30 November 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Funnily enought, the company behind Zero Books is a wacky new-age crystals'n'meditation outfit. But I do think the imprint is a Good Thing (despite having a few issues with the whole k-Punk archipelago). I'm looking forward to N Power's One-Dimensional Woman.― Stevie T, Monday, September 7, 2009 11:40 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― Stevie T, Monday, September 7, 2009 11:40 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
crystals'n'meditation'n'outspoken-anti-semitism outfit now
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Saturday, 6 August 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
expand on that
― Gukbe, Saturday, 6 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
publishing gilad atzmon
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Saturday, 6 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link