― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post: sirone=> http://www.mindspring.com/~scala/sirone.htm
I really like 'artistry'.
Don't have all the FMPs but I'd say you should get one without a percussionist next. The one with parker and hosinger was really satisfying.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Wow, stence, that is very exciting. I will be there.
― mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
I own the 2 Ts For A Lovely T box. It's probably overpriced (especially when exchange rates - which were a lot better when I purchased it than they are now - and shipping to the US are factored in), but I've listened to it a lot, so I feel like I got my money's worth.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Did Cecil come out in his pajamas and bless the piano before he started playing? He did something like that both times I've seen him.
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah what was he writing?
― mcd (mcd), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.sofamusic.no/musicians/tony_oxley.jpg
I thought the bassplayer would've been much better with a real standup. Even during his arco parts there didn't seem to be as many overtones as would be produced with a larger resonating body (altho some of the arco stuff kinda nicely sounded like the late Jimmy Lyons' sax stuff!).
Dunno what he was writing. I was hoping he'd recite a poem but no dice.
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Friday, 6 August 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― ctbo, Friday, 6 August 2004 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Lately I've been listening to Student Studies a lot.
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.kaufman-center.org/tc/mch0607/cj_101206.php
― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Cecil, Braxton, Parker and Oxley at the RFH last night:
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
All other music please retire now.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 9 July 2007 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Jazz Advance is a great entry point.
― Hurting 2, Monday, 9 July 2007 13:10 (sixteen years ago) link
That sounds like an incredible show. (William Parker, I assume?)
― Hurting 2, Monday, 9 July 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Are they doing or did they do a record together?
I hope the concert was recorded, and if not, that they do make a record (yes, it was William P - with his immense bass, you understand why they call themselves the Feel Trio).
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 9 July 2007 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
could someone describe CT's "jazz advance" lp for me, and perhaps mull it's merits as a starting point?
― cw, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
"Conquistador" is pretty classic, though admittedly the only one I've heard.
― Operator plug, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Springtime is Cecil Taylor time
― Brakhage, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
So little interest in out stuff on ILM that when a new post pops up on a thread like this one I automatically half assume the subject has died.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Jazz Advance is, afaik, unlike any other Cecil Taylor records. blues-based jazz and not a "out there" record. it was years ago, but i tried a few others (silent tongues, cecil taylor unit) and JA is the only one i actually enjoy; probably on account of the relative straightforwardness of the music
― If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i like a lot of "out" music, but I find Cecil (or at least most of the Cecil I've heard) to be kind of overwhelming. That's the idea, I know (or at least part of the idea) ... But it's not something I reach for very often. I certainly appreciate what he's doing. Would love to see him live, actually. The clips I've seen are kind of mind-boggling.
― tylerw, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm hoping that cecil is the first eternal man
have been jamming that live in the black forest alb that's taken from a radio broadcast, amazing gig from the same era as IT IS IN THE BREWING LUMINOUS
JAZZ ADVANCE is a nice enough alb but it is not that far off monk or herbie nichols or even ellington, but cannot compare to most CT things that came after
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Jazz Advance is, afaik, unlike any other Cecil Taylor records.
It's definitely more straightforward than everything he's best known for; the next step after Monk, basically. And if you like that side of him, you should check out his quartet with Archie Shepp, Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles from the early '60s - albums to hear are Air, Cell Walk for Celeste, New York City R&B and The World of Cecil Taylor, all on the Candid label. They drift in and out of print, but they're findable.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
amazing footage from youtube, can't think of another piano player who so dances around the keyboard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U01okZHnIQ&feature=related
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh, i dont love nerfertiti like i do conquistador! or unit structures or looking ahead. i like air above buildings... a lot, and im warming up to 3 phasis... i think that may be all ive heard so far...
― 69, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
was all :-0 when I came across these paragraphs today in Up Above the World (1966) by Paul Bowles:
"Thorny finished his drink and held out his glass for more.
They listened while a plane flew over; when its roar had become only a reverberation passing farther down the valley, Thorny said, "Put on the new Cecil Taylor.""
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Cecil Taylor wins the Kyoto prize.
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 22 June 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
Hope he doesn't blow it on coke, like (rumor has it) he did with his MacArthur grant money.
― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 22 June 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
Hope he does
― Call the Cops, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link
lol! Why the hell not.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:18 (ten years ago) link
?
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Nice, i should check out that doc.
If there's a print interview online where he talks about it that you know of please lmk!
― O Fundo Escuro de (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link
Yeah, he was a huge admirer of architect Santiago Calatrava's bridges and other structures; he talked about it many times.
I didn't know that, but it actually makes a lot of sense.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 21:00 (two months ago) link
freely available on youtubeit's the opening shot lol
― O Fundo Escuro de (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 22:01 (two months ago) link
you can check this out if you're looking for a print source rather than video:
http://www.furious.com/perfect/ceciltaylor.html
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 22:39 (two months ago) link
both Miles and Cecil were poshboys compared to Monk who was an autodidact born into struggle and struggled even when he was famous, and there is a fair bit of needle between Monk and Miles. Probably not all down to class resentment but more pride and the clashing out of control egos. But no surprise that Cecil was an urbane intellectual type, given his background. Not that it made life any easier being black in the US at the time.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 23:07 (two months ago) link
But no surprise that Cecil was an urbane intellectual type, given his background. Not that it made life any easier being black in the US at the time.
Yeah, I deal with this a little bit in the book, the fact (often unremarked-upon by critics) that Taylor was absolutely a scion of the early 20th century Black upper middle class, if not the Black aristocracy of the era; he says in an interview I quoted that his father had the only brick house on their block, and his (Cecil's) name appeared in the society columns of local newspapers when he was a kid — the family seems to have come through the Great Depression entirely unscathed, and some relatives on his father's side lived in a gigantic manor house near Boston (part of the reason he wound up at New England Conservatory, I think).
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link
I just realized despite the fact I love him so much I have no idea about Taylor’s background. Looking forward to the book, etc.
― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 00:32 (one month ago) link
most of what i know is from the A.B. Spellman book, which i highly recommend!
https://press.umich.edu/Books/F/Four-Jazz-Lives2
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 03:49 (one month ago) link
thanks budo jeru! i think his intro in the doc was more interesting, if only because he took me by surprise when he referred to bridges as a time-based form
― O Fundo Escuro de (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link
stumbled onto this a while ago and most of what i know about him is from here:https://unitstructures.commons.gc.cuny.edu/abstracts/
― O Fundo Escuro de (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 17:21 (one month ago) link
no problem. i don't get asked every day if i can recommend a print source for Cecil Taylor's thoughts on Calatrava, but when it does happen i'm ready
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 18:34 (one month ago) link
haha, does the Institute of Jazz Studies need a reference librarian?
― O Fundo Escuro de (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:49 (one month ago) link
Yeah, thanks for that link budo jeru.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:50 (one month ago) link
of tangential interest: this blog posted an audio recording of an interview with chantal d'arcy from 1963, who started Shandar records in Paris in the early '70s with encouragement from CT, and also issued recordings by Taylor, as well as Sun Ra, Terry Riley, Pran Nath, and others:
https://blogthehum.com/2017/04/02/a-rare-wonderful-and-insightful-interview-with-chantal-darcy-founder-of-shandar-records-from-may-23-1973/
― budo jeru, Sunday, 25 February 2024 05:20 (one month ago) link