The first hip hop song comprised of zero samples

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There is also a very bad film called "Breakin'" Oh, well, forget about it :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Drew, samplers started becoming affordable in the early to mid 1980's, say from about 1984. It wasn't until about 1985 that all my friends starting getting Akai s612 samplers, which got you control over just one sampler. Around 1987 you start hearing s900's, the powerful, tight multisamplers that figure in a lot of the records of that era.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

But the use of turntables started before the sampler became affordable. Plus a newly recorded repeat of a riff may also count as "sample" in creative terms I guess. Thus, "Rapper's Delight" is sampling "Good Times" even if the backing track was completely re-recorded for the Sugerhill Gang single.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the percussion at the start of 'Rapper's Delight' is actually a sample - a certain hip-hop producer recently told me that Bobbito Garcia recently put him up on it and played him the record.

― Pikmin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

There is also a very bad film called "Breakin'" Oh, well, forget about it :)
yeah, and its got ice cube in it. still not as bad as oh, "breakin' 2: electric boogaloo".

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Ice T!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess by samples I meant, DJ-ing. No turntables involved (unless the records they're spinning were creating by them).

I should've phrased this better.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

er, thats who i meant. sorry! i have a cold today. all this mucous is getting in the way of my brain.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess you guys don't count gil scott heron?

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

and apparently cymande DID also have a song called "the message," on the same album as "bra." But maybe grandmaster flash just sampled its NAME, who knows?

I know, because I listened to the album the other day after reading this thread. The title is the only thing the two songs share.

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 7 October 2004 10:39 (nineteen years ago) link

the first official, if you could call it that, hip hop single was rappers delight which replayed chich's good times. this was pretty much how must records were made in early 80s hip hop - with a band either replaying a segment from a popular song or they were made similar to sparse soul/R&B/funk records of the time, a la the message. ie lots of synths, a drum machine, etc. this changed around 83/84 though in the main.

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

god i sound like a hip hop 101 redux commentary there. argh.

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

https://olvidorecords.bandcamp.com/track/hip-hop-fox

― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 14 November 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link

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