Let's figure out Dream Theater.

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Aaron, are you trying to kill us?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

So Ned, you click on a Dream Theater thread and expect NOT to see asshats with cheesy guitars?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I can sense them without actually having to deal with visuals.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

But now that I have suffered, so must others.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Based on the mp3 excerpts I just downloaded, they have some kind of fun moments. I like the bit of "Act I - Scene Two: I. Overture 1928 & Strange Deja Vu " I got from Metropolis pt 2. And "Solitary Shell" is like "Solsbury Hill" with "Fooling Yourself"-style Styx synth breaks, which maybe doesn't sound that great to some people but it's OK pop for one listen. I don't know how well any of this would extend to full tracks though. The cover of "Tears" isn't bad too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The first 4:30 of "Killing Hand" are pretty good too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The cover of "Tears" isn't bad too.

For a second I thought you meant they covered a Chameleons tune and I almost died

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Tell me they DIDN'T. The desecration of a classic is too much to bear.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Rush's "Tears". Never heard the Chameleons. I'm definitely glad I'm listening to Miles Davis instead of DT now, I have to say.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

They also did a whole medley of Rush songs, IIRC, "Different Strings", one of the Signals tracks ("Chemistry"?), and "La Villa Strangiato". It was almost kind of creepy.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

If you think those vids are hot you should check out Brian Setzers post-Stray Cats rockabilly instruction vid. He is so coked out that he plays really fast and sloppy, and by the end he has really bad nasal drainage. He rambles about guitar and plays random lics badly for 15 minutes, and then it fades out, presumably when he needs to step into the rest room for a little pick me up. And it is shot in the same quality videostock that made Venessa Del Rio a big hit in adult film industry.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

regarding the fade outs, this happens about four times in a row.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco, I really want you to post some images over on the thread I started...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, we must see the cover of this tweaked-out Setzer monstrosity.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

King Crimson meets Spinal Tap. Blech.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

That actually sounds like it should be awesome. Are there any super-progged-out bands who sing about sex and farm animals?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Zappa?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. Nevermind. :(

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

dream theater?

if you think that they are ridiculous you must hear their copycats...like them:

http://www.mightyrhapsody.com/index.php

giulio from genova, Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I just remembered, I wrote about Dream Theater this week.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

heh:
Dream Theater's pompous, bludgeoning style of prog-almost-metal will whet folks' appetite for the feast to follow. Of course, no one with functioning ears or brain can withstand more than 40 minutes of them, so an opening slot is almost as good as not hearing them at all would be.

b-b-but what do you REALLY think of them Phil? Don't hold back now...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes always had a much stronger sense of group interplay than, say, Mahavishnu Orchestra.

THANK YOU.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Even with Wakeman?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Mahavishnu is cool. Yes are dorks.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually finding that I prefer Return To Forever (only the four albums from Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy through Romantic Warrior) to Mahavishnu right now. And I prefer Yes to either.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I just like Yes a lot more. I don't know if they actually have better group interplay because MO just turns me off in a way that makes it hard for me to evaluate critically. I don't know how the guy who played In a Silent Way, Jack Johnson, and On the Corner (even Aura!) could have come up with something that feels so cold and repellent to me. I dunno, Ned, Wakeman must bug you a lot more than he bugs me. I actually really like, say, the doodles on "And You and I", the riffs on "Siberian Khatru", and the synth floats and piano breaks on "Heart of the Sunrise".

BTW how are McLaughlin's collaborations with U. Srinivas (whom I like a lot)?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, Ned, Wakeman must bug you a lot more than he bugs me.

He *really* bugs me, and not just in the context of Yes. I'm glad he left the Strawbs when he did.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Was he in Shakti, Sundar?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

'Cause his name doesn't ring a bell, but Shakti is great.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I Wakeman. Thas right.


Ned - you can hate me now.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I (heart) Wakeman, that is.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh dear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I stopped hearting Wakeman ever since Journey to the Centre of his Arse.

Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Jordan, it appears that he is in Remember Shakti. (He's a mandolin player.) And so, it seems, is Hariprasad Chaurasiya (flute), whom I also love.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shit you were right Jordan, Shakti is fucking awesome.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
This thread got me curious about this band, as the only thing I had ever heard from Dream Theatre is that they suck, so I borrowed a live from "Budokan" CD from a guy at work.

While there are definite moments of cheeze, there are some parts that were better than expected. The keyboard player doing all that wack Danny Elfman knicked stuff and the prissy vocalist bring the whole thing really down. All they need is Jon Lord and Ronnie James Dio and this could be a OK band.

Shakti is freaking insane, especially those high speed unison lines they get going.

A few weeks back, I picked up RTF's Romantic Warrior out of a used bin. I never had that one and boy there some cheeze on that one, especially on the second side. I don't know if it is because of punk rock or whatever, but it definitely seems true that all of those fusion bands lost it after 74-75 (excepting some of the ECM stuff, which really isn't that much like the rawk fusion made by all of those guys that played in Miles band but still gets labeled as 'fusion').

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think this band is bigger than they are because of their internet fanbase. I've witnessed large portions of non-music websites rally to have a meetup just because it's being held at a DT anniversary concert.

Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Be sure to read, if you have not already, this review of Petrucci's 'instructional DVD'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my...I remember laughing at the original posts before the reviews, but that Petrucci review is classic. It is not as funny as the Albania thread on ILE, but it is in the same ballpark.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
My friend's band are supporting Dream Theater in the UK soon - should I go and see them?

Matt DC, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

It'll be high comedy.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

THESE GUYS ARE SICK!!!

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link

is that tony levin on STICK??

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah it is. Only the modified bass stick can handle Tony Levin's breathtaking virtuosity.

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link

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Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

the stick bass just makes me mad when i see it....

anyway yeah dream theater. i grew up on guitar magz so you know it's all good.

the real underground shit is shrapnel records shit though, that's tru wank. david t chastain and tony macapline and paul gilbert and blues saraceno and all those dudez.

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link

stu hamm

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Portnoy.jpg

Oilyrags, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm assuming there's a giant gong where the photographer is standing, but until I see it, Portnoy gets no respect from me.

Z S, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

the SS Bozzio

http://grm.martin.free.fr/photosgraym/terrybozzio1.jpg

M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 22 July 2007 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

haha such a silly song

joyful

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 12:47 (one year ago) link

There's an even more Rush-alike song from their 2013 self-titled album. I worked for their label at the time and I remember laughing out loud the first time I heard it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf1CF6Avvc

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:05 (one year ago) link

The other day someone I follow on twitter responded to a Joe Bonamassa tweet that was in turn responding to a Guitar mag prompt asking for the best guitar album of the '90s. (I don't know anything about Bonamassa, never heard a note; iirc he picked an album by The Hellecasters.) Anyway, I made the mistake of scrolling down to see what others picked, and it was the usual 16th note sci-fi flurry shit: Steve Vai, Satch (iirc someone even picked "Surfing with the Alien," and stuck to their guns when reminded it was from the '80s). But, inevitably, someone picked Dream Theater, and I realized, you know, I've never really spent much more than a couple of minutes with them. Because this person also picked a specific track which (paraphrasing) had it all, I listened to that one, and woof - why would anyone want to listen to this? Why would anyone want to *play* this? The guitar was so precise, so technical and clinical, and so souless that it might as well have been an intricately programmed synth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKTNtmKZEw

First comment: "The solo is just perfect, I think it has almost every imaginable technique on guitar"
Second comment: "It's not a solo, it's a clinic on how to make shred guitar tasteful."
Third comment: "whatever"

This song is what happens when everyone in a band thinks they're the most talented member of the band, including the singer.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:07 (one year ago) link

This song is what happens when everyone in a band thinks they're the most talented member of the band, including the singer.

If I’m not mistaken, I think every member of dream theater has been on the cover of a very bad magazine associated with their instrument (ie modern drummer) multiple times. Plus, they have tons of fans who say things like “you are the greatest guitar player of all time, man!” on a daily basis.

Their lives are incredibly messed up

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:22 (one year ago) link

I do like this style of drumming in other contexts (metal, Greg Fox projects).

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link

Their lives are incredibly messed up

Offstage they're some of the nicest people in the world. John Petrucci is just a dad from Long Island who spends most of his day practicing guitar and doing bicep curls, keyboardist Jordan Rudess is a giant dork and gearhead/inventor, bassist John Myung is incredibly chilled-out and one of the least fame-oriented artists I've ever met, and drummer Mike Mangini is, like, giddy when you talk to him. The singer, James LaBrie, I've never had any interaction with, but he's Canadian, so how bad could he be?

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link

Sounds like having "tons of fans who say things like 'you are the greatest guitar player of all time, man!' on a daily basis" is a sound recipe for mental health!

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link

xp that doesn’t surprise me! I still tbey they must be completely messed up. There’s no way you play a 19-string bass and then do yard work

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link

Somehow I always forget that portnoy left dream theater in 2010.

Also somehow I missed that portnoy was with avenged sevenfold for a minute?

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link

Look let's just be thankful that the surviving members of Rush haven't formed a supergroup with the guy

the classic emerson lake & palmer line-up (Matt #2), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link

Portnoy is so insanely busy, amazing this guy has time to sleep, considering how many long ass songs he plays on. I mean, just in the last five years he has recorded albums with:

Liquid Tension Experiment
Transatlantic
Neal Morse solo
Neal Morse Band (x2)
Flying Colors
John Petrucci solo
Sons of Apollo

not to mention associated touring with all of these acts

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link

I think he is just always in a room playing a solo, and every once in a while somebody walks into the room and presses record for 8 minutes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:29 (one year ago) link

Hahaha

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

lol

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link


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