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Chequered Past!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chequered Past (EMI America) 1984

trouser press sez:

Although listening to this run-of-the-mill Bad Company arena rock may not, a glance at the credits indicates why Chequered Past was one of the most depressing groups/albums of recent years. Clem Burke and Nigel Harrison (both ex-Blondie) and Steve Jones (ex-Pistols) formed three-fifths of the band, proving conclusively that even talented new wavers, no matter how idealistic and rebellious, were merely a few years away from becoming just as bogus as the musicians they originally set out to dethrone.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yur better off with the rich kids and the professionals

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Ex-treme Dating" - like a regular dating show except that one of the daters has two exes in a nearby media van watching every move of his date via closed-circuit TV. The two exes are equipped with microphones that lead directly to an ear-bud in the OTHER dater's ear, and they are allowed to be totally merciless - "ha ha that's a LIE" or "ask him about the thing on his butt" or "he is totally looking at the waitress!!" At the end of the date the daters part ways, give their little spiel about how they think things went, and then a limo pulls up: inside is either the date, or if she/he decided "ixnay" the door opens up and it's the two exes, laughing and pointing!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

whisper in ear-bud: "this is i love music, you ignoramus!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tracer totally seconded -- also Jillian Barbierie who Blount notwithstanding still comes off as the most clever and licka.. ahem, likable host on TV.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think you should listen more with your heart chakra.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Triple R, Friends, which is like Immer except REALLY FUN

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, Friends is very great.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

B-but Matos, the last thing mark needs is more *fun*.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(well, it's not like the Cooler Kids or anything, but still)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Raoul Duguay - "La bitt a tibi" - great mid-70s psych-folk radio hit from Quebec. I can get you the MP3, or burn it to CD for you - just write me.

Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)''

so how abt looking for the tape that isn't labelled.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Tyranosaurous Rex - Unicorn
We all know one's opinion of Electric Warrior is the best test for the validity of their musical opinion. I spent two weeks listening to nothing but, then I decided to see what ILM had to say about T. Rex. Somewhere, some thread, someone explains how the Tyranosaurus Rex era records are like the song of the siren to female ears. I resolved to hear it ASAP, downloaded first I found it, and it is indeed some of the most engaging, odd, and feminine music I've heard. I'd like you to take a ridiculous stance on it.

Adam A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

da real one - "u like pina coladas" : stunningly accurate portrait of gender roles, leisure politics, and friday mores in anytown, usa, summer 2002.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funkadelic's "Miss Lucifer's Love" will make you realize that when funk acts veer dangerously close to a solo Lennon sound, Valhalla-level glory ensues.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nate which LP's that on?

(thx ppl and k-k-keep it coming — i'll start responding in abt a week, recharged and refreshed i hope from the air of snowdonia national park)

(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's on America Eats Its Young, which is also kicking my ass via "Loose Booty" and "You Hit the Nail On The Head" and "Everybody's Going to Make It This Time" and "That Was My Girl" (which I listened to eight times in a row on the bus; it's probably the best band-remaking-their-own-song song ever).

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

de la soul - transmistting live from mars (off of 3 feet high and rising)

it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have been listening to 3rd ear band a bit recently, so I'll nominate either "Alchemy" or "Macbeth" (I wd be interested in a sort of general way in what julio thinks of these as well)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson's Moonwalker -- MJ's perhaps an even sleazier exploiter of Michael Jackson than Martin Bashir is.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There is a compilation of klezmer music called "Yikhes - Early Klezmer 1907-1939" on Trikont Records. It has a really fantastic song by clarinettist Dave Tarras on it called "A Rumenisher Nign", which has him blowing over this very minimal backing. The way he plays clarinet is like Charlie Parker would sound if he were a klezemer musician, or had made more of an effort to emulate Johnny Hodges' bending and vibrato. It also reminds me of Raymond Scott's jazz-ish stuff in a weird way. Check it out.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples."

I can't believe you think steely dan and hall and oates samples can age. They're deathless! And "I Can't Go For That" seems to be more popular now than at any time since it came out.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


i'm so out of touch it's faux-ironic.

but seriously: the turtles... the turtles.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

have you heard Sleater-Kinney yet, Mark?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Listen to some New Orleans brass band. Rebirth Brass Band's 'Hot Venom' is probably the most accessible, well-recorded, hip-hop influenced street shit out there right now. New Birth Brass Band's 'D-Boy' has all the classics and it sounds great too. This shit is the funkiest music on earth, it's loud, it's got soul, and no one listens to it.

You can get all the shit here.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(re sleater: you'll like the earlier stuff better -- try Call The Doctor)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I second Dave M. on Dave Tarras, but I'd reccomend his long-unavailable and recently reissued masterpiece with the Musiker Bros., Tanz!.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mmmmm. Tanz! is great. Actually my favorite klezmer album of all time is Mickey Katz's "The Family Danced", which is very cheesy and 'not klezmer' according to a leading source.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)''

you crack me up duuude!

well since you don't buy that many recs I suspect that my tape is of a newish model. its a TDK 90 minute tape (do you have many of those with that length?).

Open the case and inside you should have the sticker labels attached. in fact it doesn't just have the sticker labels but it has other more 'colourful' labels (one is of a car, another is a guitar, and another has a cup of a tea , a star and a heart).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend the CDs that come with Brooklyn art magazine Cabinet. So far they've had CDs focused on the sound of weather, the sound of childhood, and the aesthetics of failure. These disks are the most stimulating thing I've heard in the last couple of years.

Cabinet, available online as well, is a brilliant read if you find yourself intrigued by these sorts of things:

How does his lifelong habit of nosepicking bring Jonathan Ames to the subject of the word 'bice'?

Might 'the cute' be as important as 'the sublime', and might one put together 15 theses about it?

How might Brian Dewan do a school slideshow (deadpan, absurd, horrific) of the Book of Deuteronomy?

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The first album by Storm and Stress. Also "Plays for Lovers" by Beefeater.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think you have a high enough opinion of Lloyd Cole.

Why don't you listen to, say, the first half of his LP DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE (1991)?

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Queen 'A Nigtht At The Opera'

ss, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm... try "If only I could remember my name?" by David Crosby. It's a recent acquisition on my part and I'm still getting my head around it, but it's rather wonderful, especially if the sun is out like it is today. It's a spring / summer kind of record, but with a bit of darkness around the edges. And it's a fiver in the HMV sale.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

er thats in russian. but theres ap icture of him with his scarf hiding the gills (?!)"
and opera no.2
for the good tune..

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sorry i thin kthat should be this, otherwise you have to go thru some menus in ruissian
...oh also, listen to some ....of this:revive!

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dave M., we should start a klezmer thread if there isn't one already (and I'm assuming there probably is).

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 14:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

mark - i'm sure it won't change what u think abt anything but please write something abt the Rocky Horror Show musical or any one song from it if you prefer

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 8 May 2003 15:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - Dynamite MC "Rush the DJ", Sticky feat Lady Stush "Dollar Sign" or The Blue Nile's Hats - I'd like to read you on these.

(Momus, can it be set up so that everyday you send me one link of 'required' reading - your internet mobility is astonishing and that link above is amazing). (Can I get that magazine sent to me in Scotland, I wonder.)

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 May 2003 16:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anything post-1995 by Jethro Tull

dave q, Friday, 9 May 2003 09:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

something on Al Green?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Notice that if you just read the fully capitalized words in mark s's original message it reads: DON'T CHANGE THE WAY I THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING.)

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 9 May 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

An interesting idea. I know a bit more about your tastes than some here, so I'll have a guess at a few tunes I love that you might not know.

Dyke & the Blazers - The Wrong House. The funkiest group of all time go on a medium-paced workout while Dyke goes on this ridiculous spiel about breaking up with his girl and then coming back and finding this huge bloke there. The best "brrr!" sounds this side of General Johnson, and very funny.

Willie Tee - Walking Up A One-Way Street. The most delightful clash between lyric and music ever. The title is a metaphor for how tough Willie's life is, as if he is walking up a one-way street, going the wrong way with everything against him (yes, it is a fucked metaphor because they're only one-way for vehicles), but the music makes the Archers theme sound dour, as cheery and perky and whistly as you can imagine.

Daddy Freddy - Pain Killa. Remember that chugging, clanking reggaeish rhythm from Oh Carolina? This is sort of like a poppier and more soulful version of that. I find it irresistible.

George Jones - Honky Tonk Song. We all often assume that the classical country style is a thing of the past, but this is from 1996. George was a major league drunk who was married to Tammy Wynette. Once she hid the keys for their 11 (I think it was) trucks and cars. They lived in a big ranchhouse ten miles out of town. George was picked up by the police riding their lawnmower down the highway. This is the song about that. It features the line "My wife took my car keys away, and she won't drive me to drink."

UltraViolence - Hardcore Motherfucker. Extreme hardcore industrial techno, with a woman with a voice something like Princess Diana's repeating the title over and over, for about eight minutes.

Trammps - Penguin At The Big Apple/Zing Went The Strings Of My Heart. From their debut, The Legendary Zing! Album (warning: there's a cheapo comp out now, and it is inferior rerecordings), this is gloriously beautiful string-based early disco, with as good a "Hah!" as you'll find anywhere as the first vocal bit, and two great vocal performances.

Esquerita - Maybe Baby. Imagine if Little Richard was more camp, more outrageous, more colourful, louder and faster and a more potent and raucous pianist. Imagine that the godlike Little Richard was in many ways a watered-down version of another performer. You don't have to imagine. My favourite pianist ever.

DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince - He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper. Jeff still gets respect from other DJs, but not much wider fame, except as a hopeless minor figure in an old sitcom. Will Smith is one of the world's great movie stars, so we don't take his records seriously (but wasn't Nod Your Heads terrific?). But he was an exceptionally nimble and witty rapper, and Jeff is one of the greatest hip hop DJs of all time. This is I think their punchiest number, but the whole album is wonderful.

Brainbug - Nightmare (Sinister Strings Edit). If you wanted the perfect modern housey theme to match the shower scene music in Psycho, this is it.

Luther Barnes & the Reverend F.C. Barnes and the Red Budd Gospel Choir - My God Can Do Anything. An insanely rocking disco gospel number, with about a dozen great singers roaring away while the bass and drums and piano storm through what could almost be classic rock 'n' roll. Goes off the boil when they don't finish it properly, but the first couple of minutes are astounding.

Billy Ward & the Dominoes - The Bells. They called that overemotional crooning style of the late '50s 'sobbing' at times. I bet they felt stupid when they heard this. Clyde McPhatter was a pretty bonkers singer most of the time (Clyde : Jackie Wilson (his later replacement in this group) :: Esquerita : Little Richard), but on this he goes completely batshit, screaming and crying and wailing when he isn't hitting mad falsetto notes. The most over emotional record ever made, no contest.

Clarence 'Frogman' Henry - Ain't Got No Home. Most of you'll know him for 'I Don't Know Why I Love You But I Do', smooth New Orleans R&B singing. But why that name? Here's why. He sings the first verse of this more stompy R&B number normally. For the second, he takes on the identity and voice of a girl. For the third, he claims to be a lonely frog, and sings as if a frog. Yes, honestly. I sometimes think it's the greatest record ever made.

Louis Prima - Basin Street Blues/When It's Sleepy Time Down South. Louis is one of my favourite singers ever (you all know his King Louis in the Jungle Book), not unlike a sillier Louis Armstrong. I love this one especially for its transition between the two songs, always a strong point of his - he did loads of these pairings. It's untranscribeable, but it's something like "You know the moon is pale and the sun is, and the sun is gone, and and the steamboats are coming and they're splashing and they're going WOO WOO ah babazooza" and he's into the next tune. How someone comes up with that is a mystery to me.

(also listen to Jordan re the Rebirth Brass Band - they are magnificent)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hellfish and Producer - "No More Rock and Roll"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 9 May 2003 22:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha justyn beat me to suggesting the sleater: but unlike sterling i suggest you hear "hot rock". also MARY TIMONY/HELIUM. SHE IS OH MY GOD.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 10 May 2003 01:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Get the National Forest album as soon as it comes out.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 10 May 2003 11:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, I never tire of recommending Oum Kalthoum's Robaiyat el Khayam.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't know what I expect you to learn from it though.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 10 May 2003 13:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

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