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I should also add that I just read that "Cuddly Toy"--famously recorded by The Monkees--is about a "gang bang." Sure gives new meaning to these lyrics:

You're not the only choo choo train,
That was left out in the rain,
The day after Santa came.
You're not the only cherry delight,
That was left in the night,
And gave up without a fight.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

was watching punch drunk love last night and really enjoying the 'he needs me' song, then learned that it was written by nilsson and sung by shelley duvall, and comes from the popeye soundtrack. so i guess i will try to get one or the other sometime

ron (ron), Thursday, 25 September 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

I think "Aerial Ballet" is his best album but might be a little 60s pop baroque for some tastes.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 September 2003 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

Popeye is out-of-print, unfortunately. I've read that Nilsson did demos for that record w/ his own voice that are fantastic -- totally different versions where he overdubbed timpanis and such on his own. Maybe they'll be exhumed when the record finally gets reissued.

He also apparently finished his last album right before he died in 1994. Would love to hear that...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

some of those Popeye demos are floating around slsk

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

"Aerial Ballet" rules!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

some of those Popeye demos are floating around slsk

And??!? Sadly, I am Soul Seekless right now...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 25 September 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

God...that's diabolical about "Cuddly Toy." Of course...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Thursday, 25 September 2003 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
That Blount/Malkmus story is just gold! :)

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
What an odd surprise that I accidentally came across this conversation about Nilsson - just out of the blue... but it gives me great pleasure to share a few funny things about actually meeting and talking to the man some years back. He was at one of those Beatlefest conventions on behalf of the National Coalition To Ban Hand Guns (obviously got involved with it after John Lennon's tragic death) and he had a table where he was *selling* kisses, handshakes, signing albums and pictures - whatever you wanted, while making a donation. Being a cartoonist I did a quick caricature of Harry and gave it to him. He was pretty delighted and then proceeded to draw me a quick cartoon of himself which I still own today. A friend of mine was with me (next in line) and holding a $5 bill in his fingers decided to ask Harry to sing a couple of lines. With lightening speed Harry snatched the $5 bill from his fingers and sang "Couple of lines!!!" It was hilarious.... a very funny moment.

Hours later I caught Harry heading for the hotel bar with friends and I asked him about a rumor I heard that their might be a POINT II in the works (animated sequel and album to The Point) and he said there was some talks about it. He said he wanted to call it "Back To The Point". Obviously, it was never made - but he did seem to have some fondness for The Point. At this point in his career Harry's voice was raspier than ever - and he never did recover to the point where he released anything like his earlier albums. I think he had just done the Popeye Soundtrack, which of course he didn't sing himself. But now hearing that there may be demos to it I certainly would love to hear what that sounded like.

My last recollection about Harry is a bittersweet one... he decided to join the Beatlefest house band onstage during one of their sets, and although it got a standing ovation from the audience - it was more out of appreciation for the man than it was for the vocal performance anyone was hearing that night. Harry was obviously drinking and at times when he spoke you either couldn't hear him or understand him - but I remember just the same how everybody went crazy for him. How could you not? I mean - this was Nilsson.

Donald, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't live ... if living is without Harry.

briania (briania), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The Popeye demos are pretty terrific -- if someone ever reissued the record, they'd be wise to put them on.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 12 June 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

A Point sequel, what a joy that would have been. Ah well, regrets.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

It's funny to see my post up there and remember there was a time when Harry/Nilsson Sings Newman wasn't a part of my life. One of the best records I've ever heard.

"Put a lot of echo on it if you can..."

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 12 June 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Since way back when I've gotten even heavier into Nilsson. This line from xgau's consumer guide sums it up: Nilsson didn't just share an aesthetic with the Apple-era Beatles who loved him so much--he embodied that aesthetic. Utterly studio-bound, conceiving rock as a facet of pop, proud to be fey yet also proud to pound out the unprecedented lines "You're breakin' my heart/You're tearin' it apart/So fuck you," he was as fluent as songwriting got in the '60s, turning out White Album outtakes like "Salmon Falls" and "All I Think About Is You" well after his doppelganger Paul had died of whimsy and his soulmate John had discovered his roots. He's like a Bee Thousand-era Rob Pollard whose not craft or coherency-phobic. Oh, and a better voice.

I'm probably going to wind up snatching everything through Pussy Cats (already got that, Newman and Aerial Pandemonium Ballet) except Touch Of Schmillson, but I was wondering if anybody wanted to defend his post-Pussy Cats work. I've heard most of its really uninspired but I was wondering if anybody had a differing opinion.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 3 October 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the popeye soundtrack is a lot of fun, is it really out of print? i didnt know that

the great doxology of heckmondwike town (gareth), Sunday, 3 October 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said upthread "Knillssonn" is pretty good - all of albums have good things on them, even the crap ones (and some of them are extremely crap). Mind you, my Nilssonmania period did not stretch to his 1980 album, "Flash Harry", which is supposed to be irredemably dire.

Didoismus (Dada), Monday, 4 October 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

This seems to hold a kind of record for 'most often revived thread, without actually being that long..'

Anyhow, Got the Camden 2CD Aerial Pandemonium Ballet thing. Brilliant stuff. Got a couple of singles back in the day, "Daybreak" and "All I think about is you" which are both fine and grand. too.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
...Listening to a Nilsson interview that I copped off of slsk...

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I got a secondhand copy of "the point!" dvd which I watched for the first time last week on thanksgiving. 'Charming' is exactly the right word for it.

Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I just found a whole album of demos for the Popeye album that are worth hearing. Actually properly arranged which is surprising given they are demos and there's 2 tracks that never made it onto the soundtrack.

mms (mms), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

As a newcomer, where should I start?

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Get the CD with the first album and "Aerial Ballet" on it. Can't go wrong. Well done RCA or whoever released it.

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Then the "Harry"/"Nilsson Sings Newman" CD. Well done again RCA.

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I would agree on those 2 as a place to start. As far as I know congrats are only due to RCA UK. Don't think these 2 on 1 discsw were released in the US.

mms (mms), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Or maybe start with Personal Best, which is a 2-CD comp that encompasses his entire career...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, then that's the next one to go for, "Harry / Newman" then. The "Aerial Pandemonium Ballet" one disappeared quite quickly, but I've seen some of the "Harry" recently.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

W/ respect to those early records, there were two different reissues. If that era's your bag (and it is for me), you wanna get the double-disc British issue that has both of the original records, Pandemonium Shadow Show and Aerial Ballet, on one disc, and the remix record, Aerial Pandemonium Ballet on the other. In America, they only reissued the remix record, which does have the superior version of "Daddy's Song" (the gruffer vocal is outstanding) and is interesting, but is otherwise less essential than the original discs.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Plus the bonus tracks on those twofer reissues were all worthwhile (on the early albums at least), which can't always be said about bonus tracks on CD reissues.

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes — "Miss Butter's Lament" is among his best ever (which is why it's also on Personal Best, I suppose).

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

... and why wasn't it on "Aerial Ballet"?!?!? After all, after "Daddy's Song" was dropped from the original album there was a big gaping hole in the first side of that record!

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

A good point.

You know, I wrote a song in the style of (Harry's lonely version of) "One" — the subject of which was Harry's rumoured death. It was called "Coffin Full of Stones" and, yes, recounted the Marianne Faithful story. You know that story, right, Dada?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember thinking that Marianne must have been at the crack pipe before she told that story but I can't remember the exact details of it

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, that's about right — that his body was on the slab during the big LA earthquake in '94(?) and his body was lost into the ground. So, at his funeral, according to Marianne anyway, they put a bunch of rocks in his coffin so no one would notice. Regardless of its veracity, it's a great story — one I think the man himself would've appreciated...

"Cuddly Toy", btw, may be Harry's best song from that era. My gf (now fiance) positively adored that song — that is, until I told her what it was about...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Jump Into The Fire" is hot and trippy. I can't tell if I like or dislike the drums, however.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Monday, 2 January 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I've read many accounts of Harry Nilsson's final recording from the mid-90s having been completed just before he died - yet no release. How is this possible? Am I to believe that it is unspeakably horrible and someone is blocking its release?

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of his later recordings were unspeakably horrible and were still released

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i recommend the point for children (of all ages). ...sings newman is simply glorius - actually, i like rather a lot of nilsson.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I went through a period a year or two ago where I discovered Nilsson and couldn't stop buying his stupid records when I would see them for cheap at the thrift store. I now have one or two that I could live without (tried hard to like Son of Schmilsson and Touch of Schmilsson in the night...), but most of them have either grown on me or I loved them from minute one, so I'm starting to get back into picking them up. Finally got Nilsson Schmilsson and it's pretty much wall-to-wall stuff that will get stuck in my head for whole days at a time. "Gotta Get Up" is so fucking classic it's not funny. Generally I like him best when he applies himself to uptempo rock-flavored pop rather than pre-rock balladry; while obviously he has his moments with the latter, it's also where some of his worst pitfalls can be found... but when he keeps himself focused and the energy level high, it's all brilliance:

"He'd come to town
and he would hound her for a couple o' days
And then he'd sail across the bubbly waves
And those were happier daaaaays
but noooooooooooooooooooooooow..."

Aside from Schmilsson, The Point has to be my favorite of the ones I've got - the storytelling bits are way, way more enjoyable than they could have been, and the whole thing is very warm and sweet without being cloying. It's absolutely perfect for evenings spent inking comic books, or at least that's what I used it for.

Just yesterday picked up Rock N Roll, which seems to be a reissue of Spotlight on Nilsson, and also one of those rare records that doesn't seem to exist on AMG. Haven't gotten to really digest it yet - apparently Spotlight was a collection of minor studio recordings/demos from when he had access to a studio but before he had a contract of his own. Enjoyable but doesn't really jump out the speaker at least so far...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"Son of Schmilsson"

I love this record. It has to be one of the strangest follow ups to a smash-hit LP by a major artist. There's a strong "I'm not going to repeat the formula, but I'll mess up the expectations of my new fans instead" vibe to it that's fascinating (and makes the album title an intentional joke). God only knows what people who loved "Coconut" or "Without You" might have thought of "You're Breaking My Heart" when they first heard it.

And recording a song titled "I'd Rather Be Dead" with back up vocals from residents of a nursing home is twisted genius. Classic, I say.

James, Friday, 3 March 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Remember that it has "Remember" on it too (swoon)

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

And recording a song titled "I'd Rather Be Dead" with back up vocals from residents of a nursing home is twisted genius. Classic, I say.

Son of Schmilsson is one of his I've never heard, but I'm seeking it out right now for this reason alone.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Son of Schmilsson is great; I personally think "The Most Beautiful World in the World" is one of the funnier "nostalgic"/over the hill/death songs I've ever heard.

I see only one mention of Sandman on here -- which I've never heard; is it really bad? Can't say I'm not curious...

mike powell (mike powell), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not so sure about Son of. Pussy Cats actually gets a lot more of me than that one, which seems very tossed off in places.

Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Son of... and Touch of... are getting reissued with "bonus tracks"

Beta (abeta), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Is anyone else excited about the new Nilsson documetary? The trailer is available here:

http://www.lslproductions.com/wihn_home.html

Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 4 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't even know about it, but I'm excited now!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, really want to see that - read about at AiCN, and hope it's out on DVD soon

Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I first heard 1941 in 1967, I think, but it was done by someone other than Nillson. Is anyone out there aware of who did the cover? It was released as a single (this is pre-album radio), but it never went anywhere on the charts and I couldn't even find it in the stores. This dates me completely, but I'd love to have that cover version to add to my collection. Any clues?

Melisse D, Sunday, 19 March 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link


I have a cover of 1941 by Canadian singer/songwriter Tom Northcott, on a Warners 45 which must have been issued circa 67/68. It's a good version, though lacking a little of the melancholy of Nilsson's take, and was certainly never a hit in the UK or US (though it may have been in Canada: where are you?). Could it be the one you're looking for?

harvey.w (harvey.w), Sunday, 19 March 2006 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

There are some days where I think that Pussy Cats may be his best album.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

It's been reported that Zak Nilsson (Harry's son) has passed away after a long struggle with colon cancer.

I didn't know this, but when Paul McCartney heard he was starting chemo, he sent him this letter.

birdistheword, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link

Confirmed on the Nilsson FB page.e

He appears w/Mom & Dad in the upper corner of the Son of... gatefold.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2176/9085/products/R-682504-1350386714-1971_jpeg_1024x1024.jpg?v=1598380339

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link

Just saw this. RIP.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 March 2021 04:15 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Recently picked up ... That's the Way it Is as I continue very slowly filling in his post-Pussy Cats records. It's good! STE at Allmusic always gave me the sense this was the nadir of his recorded output, but it's feeling very consistent with Knnillssonn and Sandman, just wayyy more reliant on covers and therefore less compositionally or melodically surprising. If you like 50% or more of those records, you'd probably like 50% or more of this one.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 2 July 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link

That run of three albums: "Duit on Mon Dei", "Sandman" and "...That's the Way It Is", is pretty dire compared to the rest of his discography, although there's definitely good (even great) stuff on all those albums. "Knnillsson" is different beast entirely.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 2 July 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

i hardly ever put them on individually, but there are enough good tracks across all of them to put together a pretty good album-length playlist imo

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 2 July 2021 15:36 (two years ago) link

Yes, you could get one very good album out of the three, shorn of dross like "How to Write a Song" et al.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 2 July 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

https://i.imgur.com/utaGNbW.jpg

This came on and I was like “how did I not know that Lennon covered this?”

calstars, Thursday, 10 August 2023 00:54 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

Interesting to compare Nilsson's "Vine Street" to Van Dyke Parks' version starting off "Song Cycle"...

Or Harpers Bizarre's version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEkbPrsoX_c

Hunky Tory (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:55 (one week ago) link

... and Lulu's version!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxh3CetPo8

Hunky Tory (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:55 (one week ago) link

that Harpers Bizarre version is nice

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:31 (one week ago) link

This came on and I was like “how did I not know that Lennon covered this?”

Because he didn't? Lennon used the same string arrangement for "#9 Dream."

Nilsson's version is a cover tho ... of a Jimmy Cliff song.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 8 April 2024 15:44 (one week ago) link

Lennon freely admitted he copped it too.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2024 15:46 (one week ago) link


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