John Ford - S/D

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/tv/reviews/7352/directed-by-john-ford/

This fella with some quality early-Ford-at-Fox bloggery:

http://videoarcadia.blogspot.com/2008/01/shadow-play-in-early-john-ford.html

so Drums Along The Mohawk. Yes?

It's nice but his 3rd-best film of '39.

They Were Expendable. Yes?

Been a long time, I remember liking it. Lindsay Anderson loved it.

If I had to vote for anything it would be Ford's segment in How The West Was Won if only for that Cinerama shot of the blood being washed off the table right at you.

super deluxo ultraultra restoration blu-ray of how the west was won coming in september
http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2006/apr-jun/film-restoration/frame1_large.jpg

also with a second disc presenting the film in "Smilebox"
http://www.mindspring.com/~lizap/smilebox.jpg
(shot is from a different movie)

I'm looking fwd to West, never saw

I did rent TWE.

If I had to vote for anything it would be Ford's segment in How The West Was Won if only for that Cinerama shot of the blood being washed off the table right at you.

-- Elvis Telecom

this sounds fantastic.

the spielberg story upthread is the source of a song on the new drive-by truckers album. hum.

Cheyenne Autumn – yes?

Saw that once a long time ago, liked it but suffers from a lotta stars in redface (see way up above).

have you seen The Sun Shines Bright or Wagonmaster?

anyone wanna defend fort apache? the ending, in particular.

i've read various critical appreciations, but they all end up sounding like excuses to me. the only things that make sense to me are either a huge failure of nerve or an actual conviction about the social necessity of military heroism, no matter how fictional. either way, leaves a bad taste to me.

(and it's a well made movie with plenty of good scenes and henry fonda's very good, i'm not arguing any of that.)

ok so thinking about it more i realize that what the movie was really up to was trying to validate the experience and class resentments of wwii vets (many of whom no doubt had less than glowing thoughts about the officer corps), but then at the end pivoting to say, "yes, but what's really important is the big picture -- honor, duty, country." the reason nobody rebels against fonda is that the movie does not want to endorse rebellion. it basically and more or less sincerely argues for respecting hierarchies and obeying orders, even bad ones, because it works out best for everyone.

Does it really, though? Does the end really undo the two hours that came before it? Maybe it does, depending on the viewer. Or maybe it elicits a more complex response since as with Liberty Valance, Ford prints both the fact and the legend at the end of Fort Apache. York's homage to Thursday builds some distance into the film (as does the casting against type with Henry Fonda playing a role typically associated with John Wayne* and vice-versa) so that we CAN look back at what's just transpired and assess - did Thursday's genocidal racism serve any good? It certainly propagated the world Ford so assiduously delineated for us. But is there any positive in that? If not, then in what ways are we benefiting from these murderous actions today and should we therefore look upon our own world with disdain (or distance at least)?

I think the individual vs. community tensions characteristic of so many westerns is really complicated here in that there are so many different individuals that Thursday takes along with him in his suicidal run (and to whom York also pays homage at the end, successfully or not) which again complicates our response. Did some cavalry men have better reasons than others for sacrificing themselves to a greater good? And what does it mean to even ask such a question?

This is the benefit of Ford's "rambling," non-linear, three-act-structure-eschewing narrative - following so many characters, going off on so many different tangents, etc. ensures that the fact/legend ending does not impinge upon one character/narrative trajectory.

And speaking of assiduously delineated worlds, Wagon Master, Ford's very best western, is out on DVD and looking as gorgeous as it has every right to be.

* And then check out the even odder role Ford carves out for Wayne in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.

but fort apache is really about upholding the sanctity of the army hierarchy (and by extension the social hierarchy) at all costs. it's complex and savvy enough to acknowledge the injustices in the system (which, again, after wwii were freshly revealed to millions of working-class americans), but the "good" characters -- york and sgt. o'rourke especially -- always ultimately defer to authority. they register their objections, but then they fall in line -- and they make sure everyone else does the same. the only act of rebellion in the whole movie is the four sergeants drinking the whiskey they're supposed to dispose of -- and they are roundly punished. i think people who want to read the movie as morally complex or ambiguous are giving both it and ford too much credit. i think it's more like morally repugnant. it's a postwar movie on the cusp of the mccarthy era, and its real aim is to sell the idea that maintaining the established order is best for everyone, even if it means tolerating the jackasses who happen to be in charge.

i think people who want to read the movie as morally complex or ambiguous

People like me, you mean?

I'm not denying that the ending upholds the sanctity of the army hierarchy or even that such an ending is morally repugnant. But everything you've written above assumes that the ending (and perhaps all endings?) is/are binding, i.e. the entire film and/or Ford upholds the sanctity of the army hierarchy and/or is morally repugnant. I think it's difficult to argue that there are no critiques of Thursday and maybe even the entire world of the cavalry all throughout the film. The question is whether or not the ending undoes all of that. For you, it clearly has. For others (myself included), it hasn't (and makes me think about the things I talked about above). Plus it helps to situate this film in the context of Ford's oeuvre in that Fort Apache marks the beginning of an increasing suspicion of authority figures and upholding tradition.

Fred Camper has influenced me a lot here. Check out his fantastic review of Mizoguchi's The Loyal 47 Ronin (quite similar films in many ways).

stagecoach!!!

the searchers looks so good on blu-ray. like even though the middle section is a bunch of generic western hokum, it's some amazing looking hokum.

stagecoach!!!

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previously lost ford silent film discovered in new zealand (along w/ a trailer for another lost ford film, amongst other treasures):

http://www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/new-zealand-project-films-highlights

THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE (1962)

Great moments and scenes.

Wonderful performance from Wayne, but what a sad ending. Stewart's character has been a good man throughout the film, yet is left with a sense of unfulfilment.

being a Man of Civilization has its price

Jeff Wells in Monument Valley:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/08/changeup_settle.php

apparently sergio leone hasnt seen 3 bad men:

With John Ford, people look out of the window with hope. Me, I show people who are scared to even open the door. And if they do, they tend to get a bullet right between the eyes.

Jonathan Lethem on his cinematic influences and Ford in particular:

I came to film in a backward way. Thanks to my parents’ cosmopolitan/bohemian appetites, with the exception of [Alfred] Hitchcock, I watched a lot of European cinema before I watched a lot of classical Hollywood cinema. I really knew [Jean-Luc] Godard and [Francois] Truffaut and [Michelangelo] Antonioni and a bunch of other stuff. Then, of course, I was aware of contemporary English language films that were exciting to my parents and me. Films by [Stanley] Kubrick and [Robert] Altman. I knew all the stuff that you’d see in a New York art house environment as a teenager. Then, in my twenties, I had to go back and figured out how the body of American classical cinema was terrifically important to me. It was really film noir that drew me back. That was when I watched [Howard] Hawks and Ford and [Orson] Welles. The American Fritz Lang films and all these things became really, really powerful and defining for me. I didn’t grow up with them, mostly. Ford was a great discovery of my twenties and I became consumingly interested in him. He’s a counterpoint, in a way, to the narrower stylistic and emotional intensity of film noir or even of someone like Hawks or Welles. He had more of literary amplitude. He’s like a [Charles] Dickens. He puts all of life into the story and he’s not afraid of sentiment in certain ways that the others have to ‘hard boil’ it in order to tolerate it. The Searchers meant a lot to me, in some ways, as an embarrassing but really compelling antidote to the cool of film noir. It probably helped lead me through Girl in Landscape then into the more diverse and sprawling canvas of something like Fortress of Solitude and what I’m working on now. It becomes excruciating hearing myself have to claim the influence, exactly. What mattered was that I loved the movies. I just started to want to devour every Ford film I could see. I probably, to this day, can’t even say why it mattered so much to me then or why they continue to matter to me in retrospect. He just became really moving to me. Someone who I wanted to be around. His voice and his sensibility, even though, obviously, there are great variations. They’re not all as paradoxical. You could study The Searchers forever. You can study The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance forever. Or you can go back to something like Long Voyage Home or Wagon Master and just breathe it in endlessly because it’s so perfect. Then there are a lot of really homely or strange or incomplete pieces like Two Rode Together. This is a movie I wouldn’t recommend to anyone, necessarily. But it all mattered to me at one point.

http://www.fandor.com/blog/spontaneous-similitude-jonathan-lethem

RIP Harry Carey Jr

http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-harry-carey-jr-1921-2012

RIP.

In (Three Godfathers), Wayne, Pedro Armendáriz and Carey Jr, as the Abilene Kid, are three "wise" bank-robbing bandits on the run in the desert, who rescue a baby after the death of his mother. Carey sings Streets of Laredo as a lullaby and has a moving death scene in which he lapses back into childhood to recite the Lord's Prayer. According to Carey, after the first take of the death scene, which he fluffed, Ford left him to bake in the scorching heat of Death Valley for 30 minutes. When the director returned, a near delirious Carey delivered his speech, his mouth so dry he could not swallow and with a voice that resembled the croaking of a dying man. "Why didn't you do that the first time?" a grinning Ford asked Carey. "See how easy it was? You done good! That's a wrap!"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/dec/30/harry-carey-jr

Saw Cheyenne Autumn again, had to tell laughing 'hipsters' at Lincoln Center to shut up when they lol'd at Dolores del Rio wailing over corpses.

Watch it, then read this by Toshi Fujiwara:

http://www.fipresci.org/undercurrent/issue_0509/cheyenne.htm

The centerpiece sequence with James Stewart as Wyatt Earp is a slapstick sketch of white settlement as an amok devolution: Manifest Idiocy.

Dave Kehr on the new Blu-rays of How Green Was My Valley & The Quiet Man:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/movies/homevideo/new-dvds-how-green-was-my-valley-and-quiet-man.html

The scene where the brothers confront Crisp about unionizing is a marvel.

I'm glad Kent Jones was the one to administer this scholarly spanking:

The Searchers is about the toll of vengeance on actual human beings, while Tarantino’s recent work is about the celebration of orgiastic vengeance as a symbolic correction of history. Ford’s film has had a vast and long-lasting effect on American cinema, while the impact of Tarantino’s film has, I suspect, already come and gone.

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/intolerance-quentin-tarantino-john-ford

yeah, QT is really full of shit there.

yeah that's one of jones's best essays IMO

quentin, racism in movies is like tap-dancing in movies

it's like anything else, quentin

it's cinema

a lovely paragraph:

The idea of the American West was always more a matter of solitude and space and the balance between individualism and community than a matter of conquest. Along with the city as theater of life in the Thirties or bourgeois existence as genteel prison in the Fifties, the idea belonged to no director or writer, and the culture breathed it long before the movies began. That the idea was built on the backs of indigenous Americans who were, in Ford’s own words, “cheated and robbed, killed, murdered, massacred and everything else,” was not exactly hidden from view, but relegated to the background of the story that the culture was telling itself through paintings and dime novels and traveling shows and, finally, movies—albeit never quite as comfortably as is now imagined. It’s curious that American culture and history are still so commonly viewed through a New Left prism, by means of which 1964 or thereabouts has become a Year Zero of political enlightenment; as a consequence, the preferred stance remains that of the outsider looking in, or in this case back, at a supposedly gullible and delusional pre-Sixties America. It’s certainly preferable to right-wing orthodoxy, but that’s hardly a compliment. The New Left is now very old but its rhetoric lives on, many times removed from its original context, and that rhetoric seems to have found a welcome home in film criticism.

however:

yet another revenge fantasy—that makes five in a row.

dunno if Jackie Brown is a revenge fantasy. It strikes me as a suburban California picture.

suburban California fantasy

seems dlh is volunteering for Jones's "fool's errand"

i am parodying qt on violence; it is not a fair equivalency but on the other hand fuck him

think the general stuff about view-of-history here (as in alfred's graf or the one right after it) is rly important

ok, I admit I avoid the Q's words whenever I can.

caught how green was my valley for like the third time a couple weeks back but for some reason it really hit me on a emotional level this time, also the cinematography was just stunning. kudos, arthur c miller

A well written piece, and this guy is mostly right on in his defence of Ford, but his apologetic stance towards Birth of a Nation bothers me far more than the fact that he obviously hasn't seen Jackie Brown.

yet another revenge fantasy—that makes five in a row.

dunno if Jackie Brown is a revenge fantasy. It strikes me as a suburban California picture.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, May 3, 2013 8:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1. kill bill 1
2. kill bill 2
3. death proof
4. inglorious basterds
5. django unchained

caught how green was my valley for like the third time a couple weeks back but for some reason it really hit me on a emotional level this time, also the cinematography was just stunning. kudos, arthur c miller

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a slept-on ford/miller collab is wee willie winkie. it's an awesome movie, and it is stunningly shot. i've seen a 35mm print twice (one tinted, the other not) and I can't imagine the DVD provides the same effect but it should probably still be pretty impressive.

got hold of that eyman bio on flappy's authority and lol @ this telegram from will rogers:

PUT THE NAME DR BULL ON OUR NEXT PICTURE. SOME HALFWIT SUGGESTED LIFE'S WORTH LIVING. NOW WE FIND THAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO HANG THAT TITLE ON EVERY FOX PICTURE SINCE OVER THE HILL. SO THEY FINALLY SAID GIVE IT TO ROGERS. LIFE'S WORTH LIVING SOUNDS LIKE A GRADUATION ESSAY. AS A MATTER OF FACT IF YOU DON'T MAKE SOME BETTER PICTURES LIFE WON'T BE WORTH LIVING

watched doctor bull the other day actually; ~resonance~ for sure

framed so it’s just his head and the curve of a whip

(subtle elegance of this moment in clementine compares v well to the late-career brechtian spectacle of lee marvin ripping jimmy stewart's law book literally in two and then dramatically hoisting a knout into its vacated position in the frame, not that both these modes don't have their pleasures)

So just read that Cheyenne Autumn was supposed to be a tribute to Native Americans and their abuse by the US govt and presumably also in Ford's earlier films. I was looking the film up since i heard teh book its partially based on and lifts its name from is actually an early book to be told from the indian perspective. I had thought on first seeing it come up in Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz's AN Indigienous People's History of the United States that it might be about to get criticised for being Eurocentirc. But looks like it is sympathetic . Not sure how well it stands up now but may give it a read.
Also hearing taht teh Navajos that replace the Cheyenne in the film were using their own native language and being very crude in what they were saying since it wouldn't be understood. There's apparently a treaty signing scene where the Indians are talking about the colonel having a very small penis throughout. & being able to get away with things like that in the film caused Native American scholars to talk further about misrepresentation in film, Ideas of not actually being remotely understood, probably teh extent to which they were played by European and Latin (or whatever the contemporary term would have been) actors portraying them to the exclusion of actual Indians. I think also that one tribe being used as another is extremely questionable.

Haven't seen the film i years. Did think it wasa bit questionable in who stood in for who in terms of ethnicity and think that had turned up in films or documehtaries on teh subject I'd seen. Possibly better to see it as a big budget came laden film of teh period possibly if it stands up at all.

The Quiet Man had been on my "haven't seen" list for so long that Morbs once gave me shit about it person. I had the same valid knee-jerk reasons the other Destroyers on this thread do: sentimentality, etc. that I'd just be echo chambering. A long ambling slog that felt way longer than two hours and mostly an adult Disney movie of stereotypes. Nevertheless, the flashback to Thornton in the ring and the aftermath might be one of the best scenes in American cinema. I've never seen Wayne become so haunted - he barely has any words and just acts with his face. Goddamn.

Anyway, I checked it off. My fave Ford is still Mister Roberts which IIRC Morbs said was a typical choice for someone like me.

Just watched Mister Roberts for the first time and enjoyed it. The Fonda/Powell/Lemmon axis was a thing of comedic beauty.

i love that one

IT IS I ENSIGN PULVER AND I JUST THREW YOUR STINKIN PALM TREE OVERBOARD

now whats all this crud about no movie tonight

The late, great David Bordwell writes some wonderful analysis on the physical acting during the scene where they concoct the booze (scroll down):

https://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/01/18/hand-jive/

That was one of my grandpa’s favorite movies, very very fond memories. Jack Lemmon just on fire.

My Dad was a big fan of Mister Roberts and the sequel Ensign Pulver.

The sequel had Robert Walker Jr in Lemmon's role as Pulver and had a good cast with Berl Ives, Walter Matthau and early appearances by Larry Hagman and Jack Nicholson.

birdistheword thanks for that link. I also love your posts in general.

Aw, thanks for the kind words!

Yeah, I am a fan of yours as well.

Aw, thanks James!