It's hard for me to hear AF these days without trying to forget the literally dozens of acerbic roots-rock records he's released since I started typing this sentence.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
that's super, but there's no reason that's a New Jersey any more than Get Happy! which charted equally but sold less, and had about equally high charting singles in the UK that are slightly less well known afaik
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Costello really works for this
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah you gotta have a slippery when wet to hope to have a new jersey
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
seems clear that part of the thread's purpose is to deny the premise -- it seems clearly NOT to be the case that every huge artist has a New Jersey
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
more like people like to ignore the word "huge" or allow for liberal interpretations of it
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
along those lines, I think you can make an argument for Actual Sounds + Voices as Meat Beat Manifesto's New Jersey
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
also 13 Above The Night for My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Spiceworld otoh is an excellent choice
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
what about For Those About To Rock We Salute You? AC/DC's first #1 album.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's not bad
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
though....Razor's Edge brought them back to a new popularity later on
yeah but you follow back in black with an album that goes to #1 for 3 weeks...only to never hit the US top ten again for a decade. You can have a comeback, but Salute was definitely a hollow album the label said LET'S GET IT UP for
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sold.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
i kinda feel like challopsing the fuck out of the thread and saying The White Album
has there ever been a more hollow album in hindsight, more of a blatant sign of a career decline than the white album? I think not.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
the beatles broke up because clearly the world stopped caring
i admitted i was trolling!
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
Goat's Head Soup maybe--except that it outsold Exile by quite a bit.
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Doing really well sales-wise is one of the requirements of being a New Jersey.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
looking at their solo careers, John avoided the New Jersey by releasing a flat-out dud (Some Time In New York City) and not quite recovering until death and someone with a better sense of what it was like to live in a world with Wings can figure out when Paul's horseshit stopped being an "event". Based on stats I can see an argument for George's Living In The Material World (esp. since I've never even heard of the #1 hit "Give Me Love".
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
this would probably be Dead Man's Party for Oingo Boingo
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
the problem with finding a New Jersey for the Stones is that I don't think they've ever admitted an album wasn't a huge event yet. I can see cases for Goats heads, Undercover and Voodoo Lounge though.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think everyone is missing the obvious here, Bizaar/Bizzar by ICP
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
Jewel- Spirit
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Re: For Those About To Rock, I worked in a record store when that was released. We pre-ordered a TON of them based on Back In Black's popularity, and still had huge piles of them sale priced for a year afterwards.
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
lol yes xpost
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
actually "lol yes" to that anecdote too
it's crazy looking at sales in the '80s-'90s, times really have changed
naw, The Amazing Jeckel Brothers is the pick for ICP
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
Rock and Roll Jesus for Kid Rock?
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
actually it seems like he's had TWO (Cocky)
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
For Elton, does either Caribou or Rock of the Westies qualify?
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
the problem there is that Rock'n'Roll Jesus was actually a comeback album following what was assumed to be a career decline xpost
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
weren't this and The Great Milenko the big ones? From what I remember Jeckel Bros. was one of the best
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit i forgot about his self titled album, Cocky DEFINITELY counts
FOREVER
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
though actually Cocky got most of its sales late in the game thanks to the belated success of "Picture"...really Kid Rock may be too wily a scamp for this
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yes it was, which is the point; we're looking for a massive album that clearly telegraphs that the band was on a full tilt slide out of vogue and is retroactively embarrassing/terrible. Bizaar/Bizzar sold less than half of what Jeckel Brothers sold.
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
It's actually kind of amazing - Cocky is definitely the New Jersey for fans of the "my name is KIIIIIIIIIIIIIID" kid rock but ground zero for the people who love his later bullshit.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
actually the Jewel comparison tracks pretty closely:
both Slippery and Pieces of You went 12x platinum in the US
New Jersey went 7x and Spirit went 4x
I can't remember a single song from Spirit
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
you don't remember "Fat Boy"?
TS: "Pieces Of You" vs "Fat Boy"
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/heQi0AZBH-0/0.jpghttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/heQi0AZBH-0/0.jpg
FAT BOY-EEE
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
doh
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/heQi0AZBH-0/mqdefault.jpg
The neat thing about Monster being a New Jersey is that it was dramatic style shift that America bought and then quickly regretted. Usually a New Jersey is a MORE OF WHAT YOU LOVE kind of album, but I guess while Monster certainly wasn't a "more nightswimming!" album, it was in touch enough with the post-grunge vibe that people didn't get grossed out until after the fact.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
"Hands" was the big hit from Spirit.
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
Yes it was, which is the point; we're looking for a massive album that clearly telegraphs that the band was on a full tilt slide out of vogue and is retroactively embarrassing/terrible.
Well Jeckel Bros. is probably their least retroactively embarrassing/terrible release, and ICP was never really in vogue
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
Well Jeckel Bros. is probably their least retroactively embarrassing/terrible release
this does not compute at all
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
although looking back at the track list it looks like "Piggy Pie" was actually on Milenko so maybe I should be backing that one
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
its also got "The Neden Game" which is the one track even people who hate ICP tend to like
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
Rock Of The Westies, mentioned a while back, is a good one I think. Debuted at #1 on the Billboard chart, yet "Island Girl" was the only charting single, and I struggled to remember any song titles without looking it up. Pretty neglected/forgotten about today?
― Ermahgerd Thomas (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link