No great loss, but I'll vote ring up your order at Barnes and Noble next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
They kept the VVM name when they bought it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm talking about all the layoffs
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Got it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/m_cef56201b2804b0e99be4ef617daec6a.jpg
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^your lolworthy phoenix scribe
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! Forgot out totally minimalist my ballot was.
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/769868
Of course, the fact that I can't vote for my booking clients does cut into my ability to honestly make a year end list.
― Nate Carson, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, forgot how. Not "out".
Here, for amusement, is the poll recalculated by taking the 89 albums that got 12 or more votes and ranking them by the percentage of their votes that came from people who voted for at least three things nobody else picked. An eccentricity ranking, maybe.
Eccentricity Ratio - Votes by Eccentrics - Total Votes - Arist - Album:
0.42 - 6 - 14 - Fennesz - Black Sea0.33 - 4 - 12 - Toumani Diabate - Mande Variations0.31 - 6 - 19 - Young Jeezy - Recession0.3 - 7 - 23 - Death Cab for Cutie - Narrow Stairs0.3 - 4 - 13 - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy0.3 - 4 - 13 - James McMurtry - Just Us Kids0.3 - 4 - 13 - Knux - Remind Me in 3 Days...0.28 - 4 - 14 - Elvis Costello and the Imposters - Momofuku0.27 - 6 - 22 - Duffy - Rockferry0.25 - 7 - 28 - She and Him - Volume One0.24 - 11 - 45 - Raphael Saadiq - Way I See It0.23 - 3 - 13 - Eddy Current Suppression Ring - Primary Colours0.23 - 4 - 17 - Hayes Carll - Trouble in Mind0.23 - 3 - 13 - Shelby Lynne - Just a Little Lovin'0.22 - 5 - 22 - Al Green - Lay It Down0.22 - 4 - 18 - Jamey Johnson - That Lonesome Song0.22 - 4 - 18 - Taylor Swift - Fearless0.21 - 3 - 14 - Flying Lotus - Los Angeles0.21 - 5 - 23 - Frightened Rabbit - Midnight Organ Fight0.21 - 3 - 14 - Wolf Parade - At Mount Zoomer0.2 - 3 - 15 - Beach House - Devotion0.19 - 4 - 21 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna0.19 - 8 - 41 - MGMT - Oracular Spectacular0.18 - 3 - 16 - Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too0.18 - 19 - 102 - Portishead - Third0.18 - 6 - 32 - Q-Tip - Renaissance0.17 - 4 - 23 - Alejandro Escovedo - Real Animal0.17 - 5 - 29 - R.E.M. - Accelerate0.16 - 4 - 25 - Beck - Modern Guilt0.16 - 2 - 12 - Bonnie Prince Billy - Lie Down in the Light0.16 - 2 - 12 - Dr. Dog - Fate0.16 - 3 - 18 - Estelle - Shine0.16 - 4 - 24 - Metallica - Death Magnetic0.16 - 2 - 12 - Spiritualized - Songs in A and E0.15 - 2 - 13 - Orchestra Baobab - Made in Dakar0.15 - 3 - 20 - Sigur Ros - Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust0.15 - 2 - 13 - Times New Viking - Rip It Off0.14 - 2 - 14 - Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles0.14 - 2 - 14 - Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing0.14 - 6 - 42 - Hercules and Love Affair - Hercules and Love Affair0.14 - 4 - 28 - M83 - Saturdays=Youth0.13 - 5 - 36 - Bob Dylan - Bootleg Series, Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-20060.13 - 2 - 15 - Conor Oberst - Conor Oberst0.13 - 11 - 80 - Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Pt. 1: 4th World War0.13 - 3 - 22 - Magnetic Fields - Distortion0.13 - 8 - 61 - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!0.12 - 3 - 24 - Kings of Leon - Only by the Night0.11 - 2 - 18 - Elbow - Seldom Seen Kid0.11 - 5 - 43 - Girl Talk - Feed the Animals0.11 - 3 - 26 - Torche - Meanderthal0.1 - 3 - 30 - Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours0.1 - 3 - 28 - David Byrne and Brian Eno - Everything That Happens Will Happen Today0.1 - 8 - 79 - Santogold - Santogold0.1 - 16 - 154 - TV on the Radio - Dear Science0.09 - 5 - 55 - Deerhunter - Microcastle/Weird Era Continued0.09 - 2 - 22 - Lucinda Williams - Little Honey0.09 - 2 - 22 - Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Real Emotional Trash0.09 - 2 - 22 - T.I. - Paper Trail0.09 - 2 - 21 - Vivian Girls - Vivian Girls0.08 - 2 - 25 - Blitzen Trapper - Furr0.08 - 1 - 12 - Glasvegas - Glasvegas0.08 - 5 - 57 - Kanye West - 808s and Heartbreak0.08 - 7 - 78 - Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III0.08 - 2 - 25 - Ne-Yo - Year of the Gentleman0.08 - 4 - 48 - Randy Newman - Harps and Angels0.08 - 2 - 25 - Roots - Rising Down0.07 - 2 - 28 - Gaslight Anthem - '59 Sound0.07 - 4 - 54 - Hold Steady - Stay Positive0.07 - 2 - 26 - Hot Chip - Made in the Dark0.07 - 1 - 14 - Jenny Lewis - Acid Tongue0.07 - 1 - 14 - Nas - Untitled0.07 - 1 - 14 - Of Montreal - Skeletal Lamping0.07 - 8 - 105 - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend0.06 - 6 - 87 - Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes0.06 - 2 - 32 - Los Campesinos! - Hold on Now, Youngster...0.06 - 1 - 15 - Lykke Li - Youth Novels0.06 - 3 - 43 - My Morning Jacket - Evil Urges0.05 - 1 - 18 - Black Keys - Attack and Release0.05 - 2 - 36 - Coldplay - Viva La Vida, or Death and All His Friends0.05 - 1 - 20 - Fucked Up - Chemistry of Common Life0.04 - 3 - 73 - Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago0.03 - 1 - 28 - Drive-By Truckers - Brighter Than Creation's Dark0.02 - 1 - 45 - No Age - Nouns0 - 0 - 13 - Adele - 190 - 0 - 12 - Jay Reatard - Matador Singles '080 - 0 - 17 - Raconteurs - Consolers of the Lonely0 - 0 - 12 - Raveonettes - Lust Lust Lust0 - 0 - 12 - Robyn - Robyn0 - 0 - 26 - Walkmen - You and Me
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Offering the obvious insight that if you liked the Walkmen a lot, you probably didn't hear anything new...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont get what hes talking about -- i love eurotrash disco & im from chicago & obviously im hugely influential in the game but who else is he talking about?
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Ha ha -- Also suggesting that Fennesz was the consensus choice for critics who have no use for consensus. (I thought it sounded good myself, but couldn't figure out why I'd need three Fennesz CDs on my shelf when I already couldn't honestly tell the difference between the other two already there.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
keep on thinkin deej
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link
lol he voted girl talk @ #1
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah the Fennesz is def underwhelming compared to his other stuff, but he's like the one laptop dude that corny indue fuxxors mess with. He's like the Amadou And Miriam of speaker static.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Albums I haven't heard of at all are clustered in the second quartile of that eccentricity list.The top quartile is familiar if not conventional. This suggests (I think) that, at their most eccentric, eccentrics may think alike. Or something.
― M.V., Friday, 23 January 2009 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Chinese Democracy was definitely a maverick pick
― some dude, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i like that eccentricity list. more stats like that please!and yeah, it's really interesting to see fennesz' contrarian-consensus status reaffirmed. (though i suppose you could make the argument that some of the "eccentric" critics that voted for it may have done so as a means to make it place... while i never (consciously) list anything just because i think it has the chance of actually charting, i definitely screw with my points (or have in other years, not this) to help nudge eccentric-consensus picks up a notch or two.)
― pshrbrn, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
haha eccentricity might not be the whole story -- jeezy jumping from 48 or whatever he was to #3 is about the 'eccentricity' of people who like rap music i imagine
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
deej voting for gucci mane makes you an 'eccentric' both in the scope of this poll and in a broader sense
― some dude, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
i cant tell if thats an indictment of loltimore or @l sh1pl3y but nah hes actually v popular??
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
'in a broader sense' more popular than 85% of the rap that gets voted for in VV polls
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's the same idea again, but this time I define "eccentric" as having voted for no more than 1 of the top 10 albums:
Eccentricity Ratio - Votes by Eccentrics - Total Votes - Arist - Album
0.85 - 12 - 14 - Elvis Costello and the Imposters - Momofuku0.84 - 11 - 13 - James McMurtry - Just Us Kids0.78 - 11 - 14 - Fennesz - Black Sea0.76 - 10 - 13 - Eddy Current Suppression Ring - Primary Colours0.76 - 10 - 13 - Times New Viking - Rip It Off0.75 - 9 - 12 - Toumani Diabate - Mande Variations0.73 - 17 - 23 - Alejandro Escovedo - Real Animal0.69 - 9 - 13 - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy0.66 - 12 - 18 - Jamey Johnson - That Lonesome Song0.62 - 15 - 24 - Metallica - Death Magnetic0.61 - 8 - 13 - Orchestra Baobab - Made in Dakar0.6 - 15 - 25 - Beck - Modern Guilt0.6 - 14 - 23 - Death Cab for Cutie - Narrow Stairs0.6 - 17 - 28 - She and Him - Volume One0.59 - 13 - 22 - Al Green - Lay It Down0.58 - 17 - 29 - R.E.M. - Accelerate0.58 - 7 - 12 - Raveonettes - Lust Lust Lust0.58 - 7 - 12 - Spiritualized - Songs in A and E0.56 - 9 - 16 - Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too0.55 - 20 - 36 - Bob Dylan - Bootleg Series, Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-20060.55 - 11 - 20 - Fucked Up - Chemistry of Common Life0.55 - 25 - 45 - Raphael Saadiq - Way I See It0.54 - 12 - 22 - Duffy - Rockferry0.54 - 13 - 24 - Kings of Leon - Only by the Night0.53 - 8 - 15 - Beach House - Devotion0.53 - 8 - 15 - Lykke Li - Youth Novels0.53 - 7 - 13 - Shelby Lynne - Just a Little Lovin'0.53 - 14 - 26 - Torche - Meanderthal0.52 - 12 - 23 - Frightened Rabbit - Midnight Organ Fight0.52 - 11 - 21 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna0.52 - 9 - 17 - Hayes Carll - Trouble in Mind0.52 - 11 - 21 - Vivian Girls - Vivian Girls0.5 - 9 - 18 - Black Keys - Attack and Release0.5 - 7 - 14 - Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles0.5 - 6 - 12 - Dr. Dog - Fate0.5 - 14 - 28 - Drive-By Truckers - Brighter Than Creation's Dark0.5 - 9 - 18 - Estelle - Shine0.5 - 6 - 12 - Glasvegas - Glasvegas0.5 - 21 - 42 - Hercules and Love Affair - Hercules and Love Affair0.5 - 6 - 12 - Jay Reatard - Matador Singles '080.5 - 7 - 14 - Jenny Lewis - Acid Tongue0.5 - 14 - 28 - M83 - Saturdays=Youth0.5 - 7 - 14 - Of Montreal - Skeletal Lamping0.5 - 9 - 18 - Taylor Swift - Fearless0.48 - 20 - 41 - MGMT - Oracular Spectacular0.47 - 9 - 19 - Young Jeezy - Recession0.46 - 15 - 32 - Los Campesinos! - Hold on Now, Youngster...0.46 - 21 - 45 - No Age - Nouns0.44 - 19 - 43 - My Morning Jacket - Evil Urges0.42 - 6 - 14 - Flying Lotus - Los Angeles0.42 - 6 - 14 - Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing0.42 - 6 - 14 - Wolf Parade - At Mount Zoomer0.41 - 7 - 17 - Raconteurs - Consolers of the Lonely0.41 - 20 - 48 - Randy Newman - Harps and Angels0.4 - 10 - 25 - Blitzen Trapper - Furr0.4 - 9 - 22 - Lucinda Williams - Little Honey0.4 - 9 - 22 - Magnetic Fields - Distortion0.4 - 8 - 20 - Sigur Ros - Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust0.4 - 9 - 22 - T.I. - Paper Trail0.39 - 11 - 28 - Gaslight Anthem - '59 Sound0.39 - 17 - 43 - Girl Talk - Feed the Animals0.38 - 10 - 26 - Hot Chip - Made in the Dark0.38 - 10 - 26 - Walkmen - You and Me0.37 - 20 - 54 - Hold Steady - Stay Positive0.37 - 12 - 32 - Q-Tip - Renaissance0.36 - 13 - 36 - Coldplay - Viva La Vida, or Death and All His Friends0.36 - 11 - 30 - Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours0.33 - 5 - 15 - Conor Oberst - Conor Oberst0.33 - 6 - 18 - Elbow - Seldom Seen Kid0.32 - 9 - 28 - David Byrne and Brian Eno - Everything That Happens Will Happen Today0.32 - 18 - 55 - Deerhunter - Microcastle/Weird Era Continued0.31 - 7 - 22 - Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Real Emotional Trash0.28 - 7 - 25 - Ne-Yo - Year of the Gentleman0.28 - 7 - 25 - Roots - Rising Down0.24 - 15 - 61 - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!0.23 - 3 - 13 - Adele - 190.23 - 3 - 13 - Knux - Remind Me in 3 Days...0.21 - 3 - 14 - Nas - Untitled0.21 - 22 - 102 - Portishead - Third0.18 - 16 - 87 - Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes0.16 - 2 - 12 - Bonnie Prince Billy - Lie Down in the Light0.15 - 12 - 79 - Santogold - Santogold0.14 - 22 - 154 - TV on the Radio - Dear Science0.13 - 11 - 80 - Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Pt. 1: 4th World War0.13 - 14 - 105 - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend0.1 - 8 - 78 - Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III0.09 - 7 - 73 - Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago0.08 - 1 - 12 - Robyn - Robyn0.05 - 3 - 57 - Kanye West - 808s and Heartbreak
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
That last one might be more "disenfranchised" than "eccentric".
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I recall the idolator poll last year skewing slightly differently from the P & J poll. Do you know how many folks who participated in that final idolator poll did not also participate in last year's P & J (or this year's)? It does not appear that P & J gained that many previous idolator only voters.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link
There were 212 people who voted in Idolator's poll but not P&J last year. Of those I see only about 20 in this year's P&J, and I didn't try to count how many of those had already voted in the P&J in previous years. P&J itself had 574 last year.
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Will be posting no2 album in the metal poll in the next 10 mins and then after the no1 some stats Glenn gave me. Then he will be along later to post his complete stats rundown. Please have a look at ILX METAL ALBUMS OF THE YEAR 2008 RESULTS (NOW COUNTING DOWN THE TOP TEN, BTW)
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Glenn has just started posting the stats there now
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:39 (fifteen years ago) link
For my one crossover stat with P&J relevance, here is a True Metal ranking (I call this kvltosis; please alert me via messenger pigeon if you get this joke) calculated by taking the albums voted-for in the ILM Metal poll as a definition of what was metal this year, then scoring each P&J voter by how many of those they voted for, then re-rating the P&J albums by the average of those voter-scores for their voters. 1.0 would mean that all an album's voters voted exclusively for metal. But there weren't any of those.
7.3 - Amon Amarth - Twilight of the Thunder God7.0 - Neuraxis - Thin Line Between6.0 - In Flames - A Sense of Purpose5.5 - Leviathan - Massive Conspiracy Against All Life5.5 - Wetnurse - Invisible City5.4 - Nachtmystium - Assassins: Black Meddle, Pt.15.2 - Enslaved - Vertebrae5.1 - Opeth - Watershed4.8 - Gojira - Way of All Flesh4.8 - Genghis Tron - Board Up the House4.8 - Meshuggah - obZen4.8 - Krallice - Krallice4.5 - Dead Congregation - Graves of the Archangels4.0 - Harvey Milk - Life...The Best Game in Town4.0 - In This Moment - Dream4.0 - Lair of the Minotaur - War Metal Battle Master3.5 - Ceremony - Still Nothing Moves You3.5 - Jex Thoth - Jex Thoth3.5 - Judas Priest - Nostradamus3.5 - Slim Cessna's Auto Club - Cipher3.3 - Blood Ceremony - Blood Ceremony3.3 - Made Out of Babies - Ruiner3.3 - Sword - Gods of the Earth3.0 - Darkthrone - Dark Thrones and Black Flags3.0 - Howlin' Rain - Magnificent Fiend3.0 - Testament - Formation of Damnation2.8 - Torche - Meanderthal2.6 - Disfear - Live the Storm2.6 - Earth - Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull2.5 - Burning Star Core - Challenger2.5 - Rhys Chatham and His Guitar Trio All-Stars - Guitar Trio Is My Life!2.0 - Snowman - Horse, the Rat and the Swan2.0 - Metallica - Death Magnetic1.8 - Gutter Twins - Saturnalia1.7 - Marnie Stern - This Is It . . .1.7 - Dirtbombs - We Have You Surrounded1.7 - Mogwai - Hawk Is Howling1.5 - Baby Dee - Safe Inside the Day1.5 - Bohren and der Club of Gore - Dolores1.5 - Boris - Smile1.5 - Fennesz - Black Sea1.5 - Heavy - Great Vengeance and Furious Fire1.5 - Lukestar - Lake Toba1.5 - Melvins - Nude With Boots1.5 - Mr. Gnome - Deliver This Creature1.5 - Necrovation - Breed Deadness Blood1.4 - AC/DC - Black Ice1.3 - Jean Grae - Jeanius1.2 - Dungen - 41.2 - Fucked Up - Chemistry of Common Life1.2 - James Blackshaw - Litany of Echoes
Note that there are a few albums that didn't make the ILM Metal poll even though they might be considered metal by many, including Testament, Judas Priest, and Black Sabbath, but none of these got enough votes to matter much. AC/DC and GNR also don't count, so Phil Freeman, who arguably has the sole all-metal P&J ballot, had 3 of those 5 and thus was scored in these calcualtions as 7, not 10. There was no 9, and the only 8 was Kurt Orzeck, who lost one point for the deathcore band Dr. Acula (no votes in the other poll) and one for My Morning Jacket's Evil Urges, which I have to wonder whether he voted for based on the title without actually listening to it.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 24 January 2009 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Evil Urges was one of the year's absolute worst albums, metal or not. I listened once and filed that sucker back on the shelf to collect dust for a few years. I remember thinking maybe three or four tracks were passable, the rest awful.
― ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 05:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Finally decided to check out Torche. Youtube comments are funny:
this is suppost to be sludge metalwhat a shit voice for sludge metal he is trying to sing all pop. i think they need to find a better vocalist cos this is shit
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 January 2009 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link
That's why I kinda like it
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 January 2009 06:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Next question: Are there really that many p&j voters who are so stuck on old rap paradigms that they think "Black President" is better than "My President Is Black"?
― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 January 2009 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Are you really asking that question, Rev?
― Matos W.K., Saturday, 24 January 2009 06:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Long day.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 January 2009 07:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Also in "Are you really asking that question, Rev?", WTFingF at Q-Tip placing so high? Are people so happy to see he finally got an album out that they'll take any old piece of garbage from him? Amplified was about eighteen times better and still wasn't one of the best few rap albums of that year.
― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 January 2009 07:25 (fifteen years ago) link
q-tip album was cool
― xhuxk d (deej), Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean if yr mad at the shitty placement of rap music i dont know that its helpful to shit on one of the few decent rap records that made it
Amplified was about eighteen times better and still wasn't one of the best few rap albums of that year.
Wrong.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 January 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link
right/wrong.
― Ioannis, Saturday, 24 January 2009 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
well if jeezy follows the normal course of these things, his next album will be overrated by people who slept on this one. so you can look forward to bitching about that in a year or two.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 January 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
but his last album wasn't all that good. (the debut is all i'll ever need, i think.)
― Ioannis, Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^Jeezy
Recession was a BIG letdown for me. Although there seems to be a lot of love for it on ILM.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Marcello raved about it, that i do remember.
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
really? all i can remember is him calling T.I.'s latest album of the year (and he wasn't too far off there, afaic).
― Ioannis, Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link
no, he was very far off there.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
possibly his worst album.
the singles were great, but the album on the whole didn't do much for me.
xp
if by worst you mean best, then sure.
― Ioannis, Saturday, 24 January 2009 15:49 (fifteen years ago) link