Nobody ever rated or bought those two records.
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As Alfred said he doesn't really fit, though you rarely hear the singles from Tunnel Of Love anymore. But people still rate it highly.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
I suppose we can debate how much his going low key dependend on a shrewd study of sales trends and market forces.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post? even google doesn't come up with "manic pixie dream album"...there is some band called 1976 that had an album call manic pixie dream girl, then some articles about zooey deschnel?
i think tunnel of love is too much of a purposeful stylistic shift to be a new jersey
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
Tom Petty-Wildflowers
Several hits, but only one with true staying power. And She's The One was the follow-up.
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
hey um can someone explain what whiney meant w/that post?
I don't think anyone actually cares enough to decipher, tbh
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
Wildflowers sounds like a perfect fit but it IS widely loved (even by Petty himself).
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
Beastie Boys' To The 5 Boroughs?
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
xpost: i just assumed he's making fun of people who like the pixies. so yay for him.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
"manic pixie dream girl" is a movie character archetype, coined by whiney's wu tang/simpsons stan bizarro world av club equivalent nathan rabin, which people forever argue over the definition and appropriate examples of.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think there was any expectation that "Boroughs" would be huge by the time that came out.
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
lol xp
― reductio ad burzum (flopson), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
the only beasties that would even be close is Ill Communication, but i don't really think so
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok so he doesn't like this thread or something?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
apparently
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
hey whiney sorry you don't like this thread also have you considered the possibility that you've disappeared up your own butt?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
manic pixie dream ilx
― thomp, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
manic pixie dream journalism career
Is manic pixie dream really circling the drain?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
Getting butthurt about a thread like this on a place like ILM is kind of a "New Jersey" if you think about it
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe a "Neither Fish Nor Flesh"
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
okay I was going to complain about everyone turning this into a thread about Whiney but ^^^ lol
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/203755-1/Water-car-jerk-superhero.gif
― MUBU gai pan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone mentioned 'Be Here Now' yet?
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
aaanyway
Helmet's New Jersey is Betty, happy now?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
yep
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
Shania Twain - Up!George Michael - Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1Norah Jones - Feels Like Home
― prolego, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
Be Here Now was instant letdown though, I'm minded to disqualify it (though in truth I've never listened to it, boy will my face be red if it turns out it was brilliant)
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
George Michael - Listen Without Prejudice Vol.
yes!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
Listen Without Prejudice isn't a New Jersey surely
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
weren't the reviews of BHN kinda like "whoaaaa! wow!"?
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
praying for time is exactly what Sony did when Michael insisted on releasing this single first.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
Eric Clapton's Pilgrim?
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
"Fastlove" and "Jesus to a Child" were US top 10 hits??????????
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
It sold even less than LWP though (a massive Euro hit though). And why not? Look at his scary goatee on the cover.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
And George hasn't charted since
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
actually, looking at the sales stats and considering that ppl still adore "Freedom 90" but no one remembers or ever hears any of its, I'm tempted to say Older makes more sense
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
wondering why all the best examples of this are late 80s/early 90s. hmm
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
its HITS, I meant
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
Robbie Williams - Escapology
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was going to say "no" but then I read this little jem on Wiki, Wild's review pushes it into the "New Jersey" realm
Reviews for Pilgrim were mixed upon release. Allmusic described the album as "bland", while Rolling Stone's David Wild gave it four out of five stars, stating, "Pilgrim is the work of someone who has learned in the hardest way imaginable that although he cannot change the world, he might be able to change himself."
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
do each of the solo Beatles have a New Jersey? wanna say yeah, Mind Dreams & Living in the Material World for John & George; not sure about the other two
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
Steve Winwood - Roll With It (1988)
2x platinum, title single at #1 for four weeks. Barely cracked the top 30 with his next album, and that was pretty much it. Seems like the singles from the three preceding albums are played more now.
― Ari (whenuweremine), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AdiGyfhHqDw/TO1StQf3EmI/AAAAAAAABVY/op6CEIxc1KE/s1600/Dire_Straits_On_Every_Street.jpg
xposts Pauls's might be Press To Play, and George's might be the second Wilburys lp.
― Jeremy Spencer Slid in Class Today (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
Robbie Williams - Escapology^^yes. & probably Take That - Progress.
I think Rihanna's Talk That Talk could be her New Jersey - although "We Found Love" was obv a colossus it feels all her popularity was leading to that point and a sense of fatigue has now started to set in (the album's other singles chart performance suggesting that). If not this record, then her next album will likely be her New Jersey.
― prolego, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
Roll With It is a good pick.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
a real "why do I own this?" moment
Wait, do Bon Jovi fans feel this way about New Jersey? I never had that impression. (My sister loves it, for instance.) I know it's considered inferior to its predecessor but I didn't think it was seen as an embarrassment? I saw them a couple of years ago and they still play songs from this album. I interpreted this concept as "similar but somewhat lesser album that was overhyped because of the success of the previous album". Bad seems like a very good answer to me.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I think Rihanna's Talk That Talk could be her New Jersey - although "We Found Love" was obv a colossus it feels all her popularity was leading to that point and a sense of fatigue has now started to set in (the album's other singles chart performance suggesting that).
well, "Where Have You Been" was also massive
kind of super pleased "Birthday Cake" charted NOWHERE
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
For my money, a New Jersey has little to do with subsequent quality drop-off - that is, I don't think it needs the "beginning of the end" clause in the definition...because then we're really just talking about "big albums that weren't as good as the previous one and were better than the ones that followed." What's interesting to me about the NJ phenomenon is the idea of an album that sells huge, spawns SEVERAL hits, and yet kind of disappears from the band's narrative, legacy, canonic list of concert staples, whatever. I actually think Storm Front is a perfect example of this - - "We Didn't Start The Fire" survives as a novelty, but when was the last time you heard #6 hit "I Go To Extremes"? I also buy Use Your Illusion - those records both have gone, what, six times platinum, with seven Mainstream Rock top-ten hits, including two number ones.... and I would venture to say that MR #7 "November Rain" is the only one still in regular rotation anywhere. Maybe "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" a bit? It's a monster hit album that just had no long-term constituency, no traction in people's hearts, and no hope of making the "best of decade" countdown circuit.
I've been banging on about radio formats a lot on ILX yesterday but I wonder how many New Jerseys are down to radio shifting out from under a band or a genre, or a new crop of kids coming up who aren't as interested in that artist or their sound, so all of a sudden you stop hearing the singles much earlier than you'd have expected to. The whole grunge/alt-rock takeover in the 90s has obviously been overstated as a musical revolution or whatever (as a million people have already pointed out) but it may have some weight just in terms of, all of a sudden, you would have been hearing way less of things like "Don't Cry," uh, "You Could Be Mine" (??), "Yesterdays" (no idea how this goes), "Living In Sin," "Lay Your Hands On Me"...
Pretty shaky theory, I'll admit. But basically I think this is about megahit records that people just didn't fall in love with, not necessarily records that people listened to and went "ehh, no, this sucks." I would second Use Your Illusion, Dangerous, and maybe We Can't Dance. A lot of these other ones are just meh albums or big commercial disappointments - - I mean, Fairweather Johnson was hardly a hit factory at the time!
Maybe DMB's Crash? Seven times platinum, four singles made the alternative Top 20, but, ehhh, not much enthusiasm for it these days, I think even from the Dave camp.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
"Birthday Cake" was pretty much her biggest urban radio hit ever, got played around the clock on every R&B station. just not a pop hit like her other singles. (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, Dr Casino's explanation makes sense to me.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link