yeah eminem show was followed by "lose yourself" so no career decline there
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 2:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oops yeah forgot about 8 Mile....which is weird because in a way that movie and single is *actually* his high watermark in terms of dominating the culture, even moreso than albums that sold more...
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno if sting ever had a "everybody bought that and no one knows why" moment on his way to the "nobody cares but your mom" zone.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
I can't decide if it's Kid A or the one that came after it.
In strictly commercial terms, Kid A would be the closest (unless it wasn't big enough to qualify) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohead_discography
OK Computer was 3x platinum in the UK and Canada, 2x platinum in the US. Kid A went platinum in all three countries. Amnesiac and every subsequent album only went gold in the US (although Thief went platinum in the UK and they continued to maintain platinum sales in Canada).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
I could buy Velvet Rope being her NJ, tho, in that it did seem to announce that her era was ending (despite the album being as interesting as anything before it).
yeah i don't think it passes the "ultimately feels a bit hollow" test
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
Radiohead's New Jersey is probably Hail to the Thief
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
it's not all sales or charts or singles guys....a "New Jersey" is a *feeling* too
Y E S
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
Well, yeah, in that sense, I don't think Radiohead has had a New Jersey. In Rainbows is their best work imo.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, it's REAL HARD for a critical favorite to have one of these, otherwise they wouldn't be a critical favorite
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Love this thread btw. New Jersey was the first album I ever got (that wasn't e.g. something taped off my Mum's friend's kid or something). IIRC, the local album rock station played the whole thing when it came out. Even then, I think I kind of felt that it was an event yet not quite the same as "You Give Love a Bad Name" and "Livin' on a Prayer".
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
trying to figure out which Garth Brooks record was his New Jersey...probably Sevens? 10x platinum, but when's the last time you heard "Longneck Bottle" (a #1) on the radio? Plus it's followed by a live album & the Chris Gaines thing.
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that sounds right
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
It's too soon to give a nod to Green Day's 21st Century Breakdown but if that new single is any sign of where they're headed, jesus
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
Is it that a NJ feels a little bit hollow or makes you feel that everything before it was also hollow and you just didn't notice it until NJ came along?
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
the former, I think. Latter seems overly personal an experience.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Something that was a little surprising for me was the realization that for some Pumpkins fans who were born in the mid-80s (I dated one), the band really starts with Mellon Collie and Adore is a completely beloved album.
To compare, I've totally known young Bon Jovi fans who got on the bus with "Bed of Roses" or "It's My Life" or some shit but I've never known someone whose interest was sparked by New Jersey and has no interest in Slippery When Wet.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
man listening to New Jersey is weird....when I pulled it up on Spotify, the song titles "Born to Be My Baby" and "Living in Sin" didn't even register with me, but hearing them I realized I'd heard them a zillion times.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
"Born to Be My Baby" was totally my favourite (when I was 9).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Since it was the first album I got, I know the damn thing inside out. Have really vivid memories of the liner notes, even.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
"Living in Sin" is totally what would happen if Bruce Springsteen wrote "Father Figure" by George Michael
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
That was kind of brilliant!
was "In the Zone" Britney's New Jersey?
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
what is Tori Amos's New Jersey? The one where the pig is sucking on her boob?
Sevens and All For You are otm
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno: that reocrd and its followup are beloved by her fans!
I get the logic for In The Zone but it could be argued that Blackout and Circus were still certainly "events" and she's still hitting #1 and making fans happy - plus ITZ has it's fair share of hits (i.e. "Toxic").
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Tori Amos has never been in spitting distance of a huge event album
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:47 (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
But after that album her music suddenly became amazing! A false start New Jersey
― Leonard Pine, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
actually wow, never realized she hit double platinum - but she's still more of a megacult than a hitmaker
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
tori, i mean
yeah but hitting number one by then didn't really mean that much.
like using myself as an example, i think for many many people that don't really care either way, "Toxic" is the last Britney Spears song we know about.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
(wrt britney)
How about Black Crowes "Southern Harmony & Musical Companion"?
The album debuted at number 1 on the Billboard 200. The effort spawned the singles "Remedy", "Sting Me", "Thorn in My Pride" and "Hotel Illness", all of which topped the Billboard Album Rock Tracks chart. "Remedy" and "Thorn in My Pride" also charted on the Hot 100 in 1992.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
xpost so In The Zone is her New Jersey for older men, is what you're saying
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
"Toxic" is the last Britney Spears song we know about.
"Toxic" isn't even her biggest hit!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
xp New Green Day album is split into three, two months apart, so it's hard to tell how that will pan out but 21CB has New Jersey written all over it - similar to the one before, only bigger and less good.
I'm no Chili Peppers fan but By the Way or Stadium Arcadium would seem to qualify.
21CB makes me wonder about bands who survive their New Jerseys and how many times they can do it. Like Green Day were in serious trouble but rebounded with American Idiot, now they seem a bit lost again. U2 are the only big band I can think of who rebounded twice (with Achtung Baby and All That You Can't Leave Behind) - three times seems impossible for anyone.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
every generation of rock crits gets the new jersey they deserve
― the late great, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
Gimme MoreWomanizerHold It Against MeTill The World EndsI Wanna Go
^^^ all bigger than "Toxic" from albums that suddenly got her more respect
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
on the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if "Toxic" became her signature song.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
I came here to say Mellon Collie, but it's already been said. I adore (pun unintended) that album.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
I would agree All For One would be Janet's, I just don't know if the situation actually works given the whole Superbowl fiasco
Had that not happened, we could be saying that Damita Jo is her New Jersey
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:12 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
c'mon there's no song on Damita Jo that could be plausible as a #1 pop hit even w/o the super bowl
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
Thinking out loud here...is "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" U2's?
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
pastsex/lovesounds
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
xp Absolutely. Maybe Pop too but I think that was perceived as a dud right away.
― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
That might qualify!
xpost
Pop followed by their second best selling album of the Soundscan era.
she didn't need a #1, just a top 5; given some of her other hits, "Just A Little While" or "All Nite (Don't Stop)" could conceivably had gotten there if they'd gotten the same type of saturation push that "All For You" and "Someone To Call My Lover" received even considering that at least one is blatantly inferior to those two singles
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Atomic Bomb is good - they really tried hard to worm out another hit off that album after "vertigo" and failed
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Listening to Rhythm Nation in the car a couple weeks ago with friends we wondered how Janet's sales and saturation could have so utterly collapsed after 2002 without the record company actively sabotaged her, as someone posted above.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
*sabotaging
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link