and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.
melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^good one
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wouldnt wish be a better examp
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board
I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
NO SHUT UP I HATE YOU
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah weezer's thing is too weird because their Led Zeppelin IV was perceived as a New Jersey when it came out and then things changed a few years later.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:27 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha your anger just confirms that Wish is a New Jersey.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
THE ALBUM EVERYONE LOVES followed by THE ALBUM EVERYONE BOUGHT followed by THE PROOF THINGS DONE CHANGED
with New Jersey in the middle - so albums that are adored by the fanbase (like Melon Collie) can't really qualify
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
Fatboy Slim - Halfway Between the Gutter and the Stars is another one, maybe FBS was never really "huge" per se but that was the "wait, why did we make such a big deal out of this guy" moment
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:28 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lolll
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
You're right, I think REM and NIN fit that pattern though.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's actually a real accomplishment to get a New Jersey - a lot of bands miss their window and go straight to PROOF THINGS DONE CHANGED
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
WMS still went gold in the US
Bloodflowers then went gold in... Switzerland
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Phil Collins "...But Seriously"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I am totally losing this argument aren't I
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Liverpool. Or maybe even Welcome To The Pleasuredome, I remember the expectation around the album was huge but it seemed like a Grand Statement that fell pretty flat.
This is a UK thing btw.
― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ this
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
hmm maybe downward spiral is the new jersey? but it's probably too good.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
NIN wasn't really huge until that album, though
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like some people aren't getting that a New Jersey isn't a flop, and isn't an album that still makes Best of the Decade lists
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I could say Songs of Faith and Devotion? DM sales are kind of weirdly constant tho, esp in German-speaking countries
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think this theory explains many of the things I love about Born This Way. Being massively, zeitgeisty huge and still violently underrated and undervalued is tons of fun.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
Right, no one will admit to either liking it, even though they own or owned it.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
either
Fairweather Motherfucking Johnson
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Pearl Jam - Vs.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Afterburner is perfect - it was still a HIT ALBUM, but nobody loves it like Eliminator and by the next one the moment clearly passed. A key symptom of a New Jersey is to look at at the singles and see if you're surprised how high they charted.
Like say Cyndi Lauper's True Colors featuring the #3 hit "Change Of Heart"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Stankonia
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
A "New Jersey" is a big album (sometimes huge) that is basically only big becuz it is cresting on the interia of the previous record.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
If he didn't die..."In Utero" would have been Nirvana's "New Jersey"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
excuse me, waiter, i specifically asked for no challops
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, but still, all my friends were kind of over Nirvana before he died! It's a great record though
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― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Floyd's The Final Cut went platinum in the USA & was #1 in the UK, I'll put it forward
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 1
yes
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'd think there was a Sting album that fit this criteria, but Ten Summoner's Tales is really one of his best and Mercury Falling was a commercial disaster.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
Totally "The Final Cut", do people even know that record exists anymore?
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
A friend with whom I'm IM'ing said "Tunnel of Love" but that's not quite right
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
PE's Greatest Misses felt this way to me at the time, but I don't know what its sales were like.
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
Songs of Faith & Devotion is a good one. Not Rattle & Hum though - nobody would ever be under the impression that Joshua Tree had been supplanted. (that's the point, right? It looks for a while like the blockbuster's been beaten, then it ... just hasn't)
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
I thought of "Tunnel of Love" but yeah it's not quite right, a "New Jersey" isn't a flop exactly, more like no one realizes it is a flop until they've owned it for six months
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
Cheap Trick- Dream Police
You got killer single and George Martin- should have been their victory lap and it was popular but they had kinda lost something and the slide to the state fair starts.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
oh I think R&H is a perfect example!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
I gotta say, this is basically the perfect ILM thread
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
There's also The Lovemongers' Whirlygig, which is a Heart side-project that became their main band for a bit in 1997
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 January 2024 05:51 (two months ago) link
Pink Friday 2
― under the cherry goon (Extended Mix), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 04:48 (two months ago) link
Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 23 May 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) linki dunno, isn't it at war with the mystics? yoshimi has "do you realize"― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) linkthe yeah yeah yeah song from at war with the mystics did fairly well, yeah? no one remembers that one― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 23 May 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, isn't it at war with the mystics? yoshimi has "do you realize"
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
the yeah yeah yeah song from at war with the mystics did fairly well, yeah? no one remembers that one
glad someone beat me to this
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 05:04 (two months ago) link
If “Houdini”, “Training Season”, and “Illusion” are any indication, we might be looking at the single biggest New Jersey since New Jersey.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:28 (three days ago) link
Was going to say "don't the singles have to be relatively successful for it to be an NJ?" then I checked and saw that the first two hit the top 10. Shocking. This has felt floptastic from word go.
― mr.raffles, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:41 (three days ago) link
the only thing is the singles from Future Nostalgia did pretty well, so I don't expect this album to outperform (if that is a requirement for an NJ). Otherwise, it does feel like the jig is up. I enjoy "Training Season" but it's not a patch on any of the Future Nostalgia singles. and "Illusion" is a poor excuse for a single
― Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2024 16:43 (three days ago) link
i heard a dua song in public recently and thought "oh this must be one of her not-quite-a-hit songs that didn't really connect from a few years ago" (like "we're good" or "idgaf" or w/e -- yes i know the latter was an actual hit in the uk, but not here). the song turned out to be current (or should i say past) single "training season"
― dyl, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:40 (three days ago) link
song is bad btw
idgaf is at 1.5 billion Spotify streams
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:43 (three days ago) link