Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
Don Henley - The End of the Innocence
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
nice one frogbs
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.
― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.
melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^good one
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wouldnt wish be a better examp
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board
I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
NO SHUT UP I HATE YOU
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah weezer's thing is too weird because their Led Zeppelin IV was perceived as a New Jersey when it came out and then things changed a few years later.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:27 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha your anger just confirms that Wish is a New Jersey.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
THE ALBUM EVERYONE LOVES followed by THE ALBUM EVERYONE BOUGHT followed by THE PROOF THINGS DONE CHANGED
with New Jersey in the middle - so albums that are adored by the fanbase (like Melon Collie) can't really qualify
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
Fatboy Slim - Halfway Between the Gutter and the Stars is another one, maybe FBS was never really "huge" per se but that was the "wait, why did we make such a big deal out of this guy" moment
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:28 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lolll
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
You're right, I think REM and NIN fit that pattern though.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
it's actually a real accomplishment to get a New Jersey - a lot of bands miss their window and go straight to PROOF THINGS DONE CHANGED
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
WMS still went gold in the US
Bloodflowers then went gold in... Switzerland
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Phil Collins "...But Seriously"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I am totally losing this argument aren't I
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Liverpool. Or maybe even Welcome To The Pleasuredome, I remember the expectation around the album was huge but it seemed like a Grand Statement that fell pretty flat.
This is a UK thing btw.
― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ this
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
hmm maybe downward spiral is the new jersey? but it's probably too good.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
NIN wasn't really huge until that album, though
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like some people aren't getting that a New Jersey isn't a flop, and isn't an album that still makes Best of the Decade lists
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I could say Songs of Faith and Devotion? DM sales are kind of weirdly constant tho, esp in German-speaking countries
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think this theory explains many of the things I love about Born This Way. Being massively, zeitgeisty huge and still violently underrated and undervalued is tons of fun.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
Right, no one will admit to either liking it, even though they own or owned it.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
either
Fairweather Motherfucking Johnson
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Pearl Jam - Vs.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Afterburner is perfect - it was still a HIT ALBUM, but nobody loves it like Eliminator and by the next one the moment clearly passed. A key symptom of a New Jersey is to look at at the singles and see if you're surprised how high they charted.
Like say Cyndi Lauper's True Colors featuring the #3 hit "Change Of Heart"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Stankonia
― Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
A "New Jersey" is a big album (sometimes huge) that is basically only big becuz it is cresting on the interia of the previous record.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
If he didn't die..."In Utero" would have been Nirvana's "New Jersey"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
excuse me, waiter, i specifically asked for no challops
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, but still, all my friends were kind of over Nirvana before he died! It's a great record though
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― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Floyd's The Final Cut went platinum in the USA & was #1 in the UK, I'll put it forward
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 1
yes
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'd think there was a Sting album that fit this criteria, but Ten Summoner's Tales is really one of his best and Mercury Falling was a commercial disaster.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
(idk how that happened)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 02:18 (seven months ago) link
Parklife was a bouceback because Blur were in the wilderness starting w "Bang". They basically lost all their casual fans (most of their fans would have been casual at this point)... then slowly gained new "real" fans when ppl twigged how enjoyable MLIR was. But that def took time. 1992 wasn't that fun of a year for them, I'd imagine?
― mr.raffles, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:00 (seven months ago) link
The situation is similar to Radiohead in America (not the UK where the Bends was soon enough a bona fide hit)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:04 (seven months ago) link
(The somewhat odd thing with the Blur story is that Bang actually precedes Leisure by a month. Goodwill from TNOW wasn't enough to sustain another hit single but the album then went on to do fine.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:07 (seven months ago) link
What's the situation like in the US with Heart? I'm looking at Bad Animals' performance and wondering if that could be one? Sure there's 'Alone' but even New Jersey has 'Bad Medicine' so I don't know if I'd be right to dismiss the notion solely on that.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 13 November 2023 07:11 (six months ago) link
Brigade would be a better one for Heart because it also had big hits and went 2x platinum but that was it for them - the next album sold far less and I'm not sure if many people remember it
― Josefa, Monday, 13 November 2023 13:37 (six months ago) link
Brigade's a good one.
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 November 2023 13:59 (six months ago) link
the next album sold far less and I'm not sure if many people remember it
Has a very "It's 1993 and we're still relevant, damnit!" album cover.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81EgDFlwSbL._UF350,350_QL50_.jpg
After that they spend the next several years releasing live stuff (including a non-MTV 'unplugged' effort), compilations, and a Christmas album before their next proper studio album in 2004.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 November 2023 18:37 (six months ago) link
There's also The Lovemongers' Whirlygig, which is a Heart side-project that became their main band for a bit in 1997
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 January 2024 05:51 (three months ago) link
Pink Friday 2
― under the cherry goon (Extended Mix), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 04:48 (three months ago) link
Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 23 May 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) linki dunno, isn't it at war with the mystics? yoshimi has "do you realize"― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) linkthe yeah yeah yeah song from at war with the mystics did fairly well, yeah? no one remembers that one― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 23 May 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, isn't it at war with the mystics? yoshimi has "do you realize"
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
the yeah yeah yeah song from at war with the mystics did fairly well, yeah? no one remembers that one
glad someone beat me to this
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 05:04 (three months ago) link
If “Houdini”, “Training Season”, and “Illusion” are any indication, we might be looking at the single biggest New Jersey since New Jersey.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:28 (four weeks ago) link
Was going to say "don't the singles have to be relatively successful for it to be an NJ?" then I checked and saw that the first two hit the top 10. Shocking. This has felt floptastic from word go.
― mr.raffles, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:41 (four weeks ago) link
the only thing is the singles from Future Nostalgia did pretty well, so I don't expect this album to outperform (if that is a requirement for an NJ). Otherwise, it does feel like the jig is up. I enjoy "Training Season" but it's not a patch on any of the Future Nostalgia singles. and "Illusion" is a poor excuse for a single
― Vinnie, Monday, 15 April 2024 16:43 (four weeks ago) link
i heard a dua song in public recently and thought "oh this must be one of her not-quite-a-hit songs that didn't really connect from a few years ago" (like "we're good" or "idgaf" or w/e -- yes i know the latter was an actual hit in the uk, but not here). the song turned out to be current (or should i say past) single "training season"
― dyl, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:40 (four weeks ago) link
song is bad btw
idgaf is at 1.5 billion Spotify streams
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:43 (four weeks ago) link