Pazz & Jop 2008

mike barthel's second comment is really nicely thought out and well said

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2009/01/pazz_and_jop_2008_is_out.php

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was definitely the album of 2002

I tuned out here.

keep reading for a xgau dig

an

who he?

xxp

4. The poll was founded by former Voice music editor Robert Christgau, who is the worst music critic ever, in my humble opinion. I almost didn't want to vote just to avoid furthering, in any way, his legacy of shitty writing.

x-posts

maybe it's Dom in North American indie-crit drag?

i would punch that guy in the cock if I met him.

and I don't even like Xgau much, he just comes across like all through that.

like a dick

Hey, I just hoped Michael Lacey smacked the dipshit silly for hedging his bet with that wussy "in my humble opinion."

I've long said the problem with current music writing is that so much of it is a reaction to what some dudes in Chicago -- dudes increasingly over enamored of Eurotrash disco -- think.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ "eurotrash disco"

What is the approx average age of a Pazz & Jop voter?

100000

Ha! That dude is trying to so hard. He definitely read his Hoffman.

I tuned out here.

The arbitrary comma usage did it for me.

While it was huge this year, "Paper Plans" actually came out in 2007.

thank u for this valuable information.

And then his next sentence after the Chicago dis is about how they're/we're "ahead of the game." Guy isn't very bright, is he?

at i got a username out of it.

at least i got ...

Arrested Development winning in 1992, the year The Chronic came out is hilariously telling of how ignorant rock writers were about rap at the time.

^^ shit like this sends me into automatic challops mode because, like, that arrested development cd is pretty good, hindsight is 20/20, and rock writers are still pretty ignorant about rap. cant stand that "lol look how backwards they were 15 years ago!" shit

I know it's been said, but it's really fucking hilarious calling out someone's writing ability using the phrase "in my humble opinion"

also: wasn't The Chronic released like December '92?

"Dear reader, your humble narrator feels that the writer in question has a difficult, and dare I say almost obscene, way of belaboring even the simplest point which could be summed up in but a few concise words as I will attempt to do forthwith."

The Chronic finished sixth in 1993. (xxpost)

wait until we see how well token rock-crit rap album of the year Lil Wayne is gonna hold up in 15 years.

I wanna add that my verdict re dude's brightness isn't limited to the passage about Chicago/"Paper Planes," by the way.

This is all kind of inside baseball to me, but it cracks me up that he's gonna show bluster about how he hates a guy who used to work at the parent publication so much that he "almost didn't want to vote" but they didn't even send him a ballot because no one at the parent corporation was aware that he's the in-house cool dude now. I bet that his powerful protest has them quaking in their boots.

I wonder how his "they don't know I exist so I'll just act like a grousy douche until they acknowledge my shining light" gambit will work out for him.

No great loss, but I'll vote next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.

Guess he hasn't been keeping up with this thread:
Village Voice Media being acquired by New Times very soon

No great loss, but I'll vote ring up your order at Barnes and Noble next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.

They kept the VVM name when they bought it.

I'm talking about all the layoffs

Got it.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/m_cef56201b2804b0e99be4ef617daec6a.jpg

^^^your lolworthy phoenix scribe

Ha! Forgot out totally minimalist my ballot was.

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/769868

Of course, the fact that I can't vote for my booking clients does cut into my ability to honestly make a year end list.

Um, forgot how. Not "out".

Here, for amusement, is the poll recalculated by taking the 89 albums that got 12 or more votes and ranking them by the percentage of their votes that came from people who voted for at least three things nobody else picked. An eccentricity ranking, maybe.

Eccentricity Ratio - Votes by Eccentrics - Total Votes - Arist - Album:

0.42 - 6 - 14 - Fennesz - Black Sea
0.33 - 4 - 12 - Toumani Diabate - Mande Variations
0.31 - 6 - 19 - Young Jeezy - Recession
0.3 - 7 - 23 - Death Cab for Cutie - Narrow Stairs
0.3 - 4 - 13 - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy
0.3 - 4 - 13 - James McMurtry - Just Us Kids
0.3 - 4 - 13 - Knux - Remind Me in 3 Days...
0.28 - 4 - 14 - Elvis Costello and the Imposters - Momofuku
0.27 - 6 - 22 - Duffy - Rockferry
0.25 - 7 - 28 - She and Him - Volume One
0.24 - 11 - 45 - Raphael Saadiq - Way I See It
0.23 - 3 - 13 - Eddy Current Suppression Ring - Primary Colours
0.23 - 4 - 17 - Hayes Carll - Trouble in Mind
0.23 - 3 - 13 - Shelby Lynne - Just a Little Lovin'
0.22 - 5 - 22 - Al Green - Lay It Down
0.22 - 4 - 18 - Jamey Johnson - That Lonesome Song
0.22 - 4 - 18 - Taylor Swift - Fearless
0.21 - 3 - 14 - Flying Lotus - Los Angeles
0.21 - 5 - 23 - Frightened Rabbit - Midnight Organ Fight
0.21 - 3 - 14 - Wolf Parade - At Mount Zoomer
0.2 - 3 - 15 - Beach House - Devotion
0.19 - 4 - 21 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna
0.19 - 8 - 41 - MGMT - Oracular Spectacular
0.18 - 3 - 16 - Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too
0.18 - 19 - 102 - Portishead - Third
0.18 - 6 - 32 - Q-Tip - Renaissance
0.17 - 4 - 23 - Alejandro Escovedo - Real Animal
0.17 - 5 - 29 - R.E.M. - Accelerate
0.16 - 4 - 25 - Beck - Modern Guilt
0.16 - 2 - 12 - Bonnie Prince Billy - Lie Down in the Light
0.16 - 2 - 12 - Dr. Dog - Fate
0.16 - 3 - 18 - Estelle - Shine
0.16 - 4 - 24 - Metallica - Death Magnetic
0.16 - 2 - 12 - Spiritualized - Songs in A and E
0.15 - 2 - 13 - Orchestra Baobab - Made in Dakar
0.15 - 3 - 20 - Sigur Ros - Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust
0.15 - 2 - 13 - Times New Viking - Rip It Off
0.14 - 2 - 14 - Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles
0.14 - 2 - 14 - Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing
0.14 - 6 - 42 - Hercules and Love Affair - Hercules and Love Affair
0.14 - 4 - 28 - M83 - Saturdays=Youth
0.13 - 5 - 36 - Bob Dylan - Bootleg Series, Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-2006
0.13 - 2 - 15 - Conor Oberst - Conor Oberst
0.13 - 11 - 80 - Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Pt. 1: 4th World War
0.13 - 3 - 22 - Magnetic Fields - Distortion
0.13 - 8 - 61 - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!
0.12 - 3 - 24 - Kings of Leon - Only by the Night
0.11 - 2 - 18 - Elbow - Seldom Seen Kid
0.11 - 5 - 43 - Girl Talk - Feed the Animals
0.11 - 3 - 26 - Torche - Meanderthal
0.1 - 3 - 30 - Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours
0.1 - 3 - 28 - David Byrne and Brian Eno - Everything That Happens Will Happen Today
0.1 - 8 - 79 - Santogold - Santogold
0.1 - 16 - 154 - TV on the Radio - Dear Science
0.09 - 5 - 55 - Deerhunter - Microcastle/Weird Era Continued
0.09 - 2 - 22 - Lucinda Williams - Little Honey
0.09 - 2 - 22 - Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Real Emotional Trash
0.09 - 2 - 22 - T.I. - Paper Trail
0.09 - 2 - 21 - Vivian Girls - Vivian Girls
0.08 - 2 - 25 - Blitzen Trapper - Furr
0.08 - 1 - 12 - Glasvegas - Glasvegas
0.08 - 5 - 57 - Kanye West - 808s and Heartbreak
0.08 - 7 - 78 - Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III
0.08 - 2 - 25 - Ne-Yo - Year of the Gentleman
0.08 - 4 - 48 - Randy Newman - Harps and Angels
0.08 - 2 - 25 - Roots - Rising Down
0.07 - 2 - 28 - Gaslight Anthem - '59 Sound
0.07 - 4 - 54 - Hold Steady - Stay Positive
0.07 - 2 - 26 - Hot Chip - Made in the Dark
0.07 - 1 - 14 - Jenny Lewis - Acid Tongue
0.07 - 1 - 14 - Nas - Untitled
0.07 - 1 - 14 - Of Montreal - Skeletal Lamping
0.07 - 8 - 105 - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
0.06 - 6 - 87 - Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
0.06 - 2 - 32 - Los Campesinos! - Hold on Now, Youngster...
0.06 - 1 - 15 - Lykke Li - Youth Novels
0.06 - 3 - 43 - My Morning Jacket - Evil Urges
0.05 - 1 - 18 - Black Keys - Attack and Release
0.05 - 2 - 36 - Coldplay - Viva La Vida, or Death and All His Friends
0.05 - 1 - 20 - Fucked Up - Chemistry of Common Life
0.04 - 3 - 73 - Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
0.03 - 1 - 28 - Drive-By Truckers - Brighter Than Creation's Dark
0.02 - 1 - 45 - No Age - Nouns
0 - 0 - 13 - Adele - 19
0 - 0 - 12 - Jay Reatard - Matador Singles '08
0 - 0 - 17 - Raconteurs - Consolers of the Lonely
0 - 0 - 12 - Raveonettes - Lust Lust Lust
0 - 0 - 12 - Robyn - Robyn
0 - 0 - 26 - Walkmen - You and Me

Offering the obvious insight that if you liked the Walkmen a lot, you probably didn't hear anything new...

i dont get what hes talking about -- i love eurotrash disco & im from chicago & obviously im hugely influential in the game but who else is he talking about?

xp Ha ha -- Also suggesting that Fennesz was the consensus choice for critics who have no use for consensus. (I thought it sounded good myself, but couldn't figure out why I'd need three Fennesz CDs on my shelf when I already couldn't honestly tell the difference between the other two already there.)

keep on thinkin deej

lol he voted girl talk @ #1

Yeah the Fennesz is def underwhelming compared to his other stuff, but he's like the one laptop dude that corny indue fuxxors mess with. He's like the Amadou And Miriam of speaker static.

Albums I haven't heard of at all are clustered in the second quartile of that eccentricity list.The top quartile is familiar if not conventional. This suggests (I think) that, at their most eccentric, eccentrics may think alike. Or something.

Chinese Democracy was definitely a maverick pick

i like that eccentricity list. more stats like that please!
and yeah, it's really interesting to see fennesz' contrarian-consensus status reaffirmed. (though i suppose you could make the argument that some of the "eccentric" critics that voted for it may have done so as a means to make it place... while i never (consciously) list anything just because i think it has the chance of actually charting, i definitely screw with my points (or have in other years, not this) to help nudge eccentric-consensus picks up a notch or two.)

haha eccentricity might not be the whole story -- jeezy jumping from 48 or whatever he was to #3 is about the 'eccentricity' of people who like rap music i imagine