i'm kind of shocked people aren't posting their rejected comments in the "comments" sections.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost i don't really know if i need to read an essay by a guy who thought the dan le sac vs. scroobius pip song was the 7th best single of the year
― THE HIPSTER DILEMMA (call all destroyer), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
bring back the reissues option dammit!!!Seconded.
― Jazzbo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissues don't really matter in the age of what.cd, sharity blogs, slsk etc. People relate to the past differently now.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, maybe, but it would still nice to have a handy list to check through when browsing through the bins (i.e., searching for shit on amazon).
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissue packages will continue to matter so long as all the stuff obtainable via blogs, slsk, etc. sounds like total crap.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
that too.
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
mike barthel's second comment is really nicely thought out and well said
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2009/01/pazz_and_jop_2008_is_out.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was definitely the album of 2002
I tuned out here.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
keep reading for a xgau dig
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
an
who he?
xxp
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
4. The poll was founded by former Voice music editor Robert Christgau, who is the worst music critic ever, in my humble opinion. I almost didn't want to vote just to avoid furthering, in any way, his legacy of shitty writing.
x-posts
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe it's Dom in North American indie-crit drag?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i would punch that guy in the cock if I met him.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
and I don't even like Xgau much, he just comes across like all through that.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link
like a dick
Hey, I just hoped Michael Lacey smacked the dipshit silly for hedging his bet with that wussy "in my humble opinion."
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I've long said the problem with current music writing is that so much of it is a reaction to what some dudes in Chicago -- dudes increasingly over enamored of Eurotrash disco -- think.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ "eurotrash disco"
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
What is the approx average age of a Pazz & Jop voter?
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
100000
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! That dude is trying to so hard. He definitely read his Hoffman.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The arbitrary comma usage did it for me.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
While it was huge this year, "Paper Plans" actually came out in 2007.
thank u for this valuable information.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
And then his next sentence after the Chicago dis is about how they're/we're "ahead of the game." Guy isn't very bright, is he?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at i got a username out of it.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at least i got ...
Arrested Development winning in 1992, the year The Chronic came out is hilariously telling of how ignorant rock writers were about rap at the time.
^^ shit like this sends me into automatic challops mode because, like, that arrested development cd is pretty good, hindsight is 20/20, and rock writers are still pretty ignorant about rap. cant stand that "lol look how backwards they were 15 years ago!" shit
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's been said, but it's really fucking hilarious calling out someone's writing ability using the phrase "in my humble opinion"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
also: wasn't The Chronic released like December '92?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
"Dear reader, your humble narrator feels that the writer in question has a difficult, and dare I say almost obscene, way of belaboring even the simplest point which could be summed up in but a few concise words as I will attempt to do forthwith."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
The Chronic finished sixth in 1993. (xxpost)
― Matos W.K., Friday, 23 January 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
wait until we see how well token rock-crit rap album of the year Lil Wayne is gonna hold up in 15 years.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I wanna add that my verdict re dude's brightness isn't limited to the passage about Chicago/"Paper Planes," by the way.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
This is all kind of inside baseball to me, but it cracks me up that he's gonna show bluster about how he hates a guy who used to work at the parent publication so much that he "almost didn't want to vote" but they didn't even send him a ballot because no one at the parent corporation was aware that he's the in-house cool dude now. I bet that his powerful protest has them quaking in their boots.
― dad a, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder how his "they don't know I exist so I'll just act like a grousy douche until they acknowledge my shining light" gambit will work out for him.
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
No great loss, but I'll vote next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.
Guess he hasn't been keeping up with this thread:Village Voice Media being acquired by New Times very soon
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
No great loss, but I'll vote ring up your order at Barnes and Noble next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
They kept the VVM name when they bought it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm talking about all the layoffs
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Got it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/m_cef56201b2804b0e99be4ef617daec6a.jpg
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^your lolworthy phoenix scribe
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! Forgot out totally minimalist my ballot was.
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/769868
Of course, the fact that I can't vote for my booking clients does cut into my ability to honestly make a year end list.
― Nate Carson, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, forgot how. Not "out".
Here, for amusement, is the poll recalculated by taking the 89 albums that got 12 or more votes and ranking them by the percentage of their votes that came from people who voted for at least three things nobody else picked. An eccentricity ranking, maybe.
Eccentricity Ratio - Votes by Eccentrics - Total Votes - Arist - Album:
0.42 - 6 - 14 - Fennesz - Black Sea0.33 - 4 - 12 - Toumani Diabate - Mande Variations0.31 - 6 - 19 - Young Jeezy - Recession0.3 - 7 - 23 - Death Cab for Cutie - Narrow Stairs0.3 - 4 - 13 - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy0.3 - 4 - 13 - James McMurtry - Just Us Kids0.3 - 4 - 13 - Knux - Remind Me in 3 Days...0.28 - 4 - 14 - Elvis Costello and the Imposters - Momofuku0.27 - 6 - 22 - Duffy - Rockferry0.25 - 7 - 28 - She and Him - Volume One0.24 - 11 - 45 - Raphael Saadiq - Way I See It0.23 - 3 - 13 - Eddy Current Suppression Ring - Primary Colours0.23 - 4 - 17 - Hayes Carll - Trouble in Mind0.23 - 3 - 13 - Shelby Lynne - Just a Little Lovin'0.22 - 5 - 22 - Al Green - Lay It Down0.22 - 4 - 18 - Jamey Johnson - That Lonesome Song0.22 - 4 - 18 - Taylor Swift - Fearless0.21 - 3 - 14 - Flying Lotus - Los Angeles0.21 - 5 - 23 - Frightened Rabbit - Midnight Organ Fight0.21 - 3 - 14 - Wolf Parade - At Mount Zoomer0.2 - 3 - 15 - Beach House - Devotion0.19 - 4 - 21 - Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna0.19 - 8 - 41 - MGMT - Oracular Spectacular0.18 - 3 - 16 - Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too0.18 - 19 - 102 - Portishead - Third0.18 - 6 - 32 - Q-Tip - Renaissance0.17 - 4 - 23 - Alejandro Escovedo - Real Animal0.17 - 5 - 29 - R.E.M. - Accelerate0.16 - 4 - 25 - Beck - Modern Guilt0.16 - 2 - 12 - Bonnie Prince Billy - Lie Down in the Light0.16 - 2 - 12 - Dr. Dog - Fate0.16 - 3 - 18 - Estelle - Shine0.16 - 4 - 24 - Metallica - Death Magnetic0.16 - 2 - 12 - Spiritualized - Songs in A and E0.15 - 2 - 13 - Orchestra Baobab - Made in Dakar0.15 - 3 - 20 - Sigur Ros - Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust0.15 - 2 - 13 - Times New Viking - Rip It Off0.14 - 2 - 14 - Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles0.14 - 2 - 14 - Fuck Buttons - Street Horrrsing0.14 - 6 - 42 - Hercules and Love Affair - Hercules and Love Affair0.14 - 4 - 28 - M83 - Saturdays=Youth0.13 - 5 - 36 - Bob Dylan - Bootleg Series, Vol. 8: Tell Tale Signs - Rare and Unreleased 1989-20060.13 - 2 - 15 - Conor Oberst - Conor Oberst0.13 - 11 - 80 - Erykah Badu - New Amerykah, Pt. 1: 4th World War0.13 - 3 - 22 - Magnetic Fields - Distortion0.13 - 8 - 61 - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!0.12 - 3 - 24 - Kings of Leon - Only by the Night0.11 - 2 - 18 - Elbow - Seldom Seen Kid0.11 - 5 - 43 - Girl Talk - Feed the Animals0.11 - 3 - 26 - Torche - Meanderthal0.1 - 3 - 30 - Cut Copy - In Ghost Colours0.1 - 3 - 28 - David Byrne and Brian Eno - Everything That Happens Will Happen Today0.1 - 8 - 79 - Santogold - Santogold0.1 - 16 - 154 - TV on the Radio - Dear Science0.09 - 5 - 55 - Deerhunter - Microcastle/Weird Era Continued0.09 - 2 - 22 - Lucinda Williams - Little Honey0.09 - 2 - 22 - Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks - Real Emotional Trash0.09 - 2 - 22 - T.I. - Paper Trail0.09 - 2 - 21 - Vivian Girls - Vivian Girls0.08 - 2 - 25 - Blitzen Trapper - Furr0.08 - 1 - 12 - Glasvegas - Glasvegas0.08 - 5 - 57 - Kanye West - 808s and Heartbreak0.08 - 7 - 78 - Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III0.08 - 2 - 25 - Ne-Yo - Year of the Gentleman0.08 - 4 - 48 - Randy Newman - Harps and Angels0.08 - 2 - 25 - Roots - Rising Down0.07 - 2 - 28 - Gaslight Anthem - '59 Sound0.07 - 4 - 54 - Hold Steady - Stay Positive0.07 - 2 - 26 - Hot Chip - Made in the Dark0.07 - 1 - 14 - Jenny Lewis - Acid Tongue0.07 - 1 - 14 - Nas - Untitled0.07 - 1 - 14 - Of Montreal - Skeletal Lamping0.07 - 8 - 105 - Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend0.06 - 6 - 87 - Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes0.06 - 2 - 32 - Los Campesinos! - Hold on Now, Youngster...0.06 - 1 - 15 - Lykke Li - Youth Novels0.06 - 3 - 43 - My Morning Jacket - Evil Urges0.05 - 1 - 18 - Black Keys - Attack and Release0.05 - 2 - 36 - Coldplay - Viva La Vida, or Death and All His Friends0.05 - 1 - 20 - Fucked Up - Chemistry of Common Life0.04 - 3 - 73 - Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago0.03 - 1 - 28 - Drive-By Truckers - Brighter Than Creation's Dark0.02 - 1 - 45 - No Age - Nouns0 - 0 - 13 - Adele - 190 - 0 - 12 - Jay Reatard - Matador Singles '080 - 0 - 17 - Raconteurs - Consolers of the Lonely0 - 0 - 12 - Raveonettes - Lust Lust Lust0 - 0 - 12 - Robyn - Robyn0 - 0 - 26 - Walkmen - You and Me
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Offering the obvious insight that if you liked the Walkmen a lot, you probably didn't hear anything new...
― glenn mcdonald, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont get what hes talking about -- i love eurotrash disco & im from chicago & obviously im hugely influential in the game but who else is he talking about?
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Ha ha -- Also suggesting that Fennesz was the consensus choice for critics who have no use for consensus. (I thought it sounded good myself, but couldn't figure out why I'd need three Fennesz CDs on my shelf when I already couldn't honestly tell the difference between the other two already there.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link