hey glenn, thanks for the explanation on the centricity ratings (btw, i kind of miss "critical alignment," it always sounded like getting one's critical wheels rotated or something, which seems like it might be a useful service, in fact). and may i also say, thanks for keeping up the tradition. i'm pretty boneheaded when it comes to statistics, but i always really enjoy your sifting and sorting of the poll results.
andy k: hey you, get offa my cloud!tim f: yikes!
:)
― pshrbrn, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Dean's List '08:
http://robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/deans08.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
bring back the reissues option dammit!!!
(worst thing about the last few P&J's has been the lack of a comprehensive Xgau year-end essay to tie shit up in a nice, neat lil' bundle for lazy sods like moi. agree; disagree; ban.)
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm kind of shocked people aren't posting their rejected comments in the "comments" sections.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost i don't really know if i need to read an essay by a guy who thought the dan le sac vs. scroobius pip song was the 7th best single of the year
― THE HIPSTER DILEMMA (call all destroyer), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
bring back the reissues option dammit!!!Seconded.
― Jazzbo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissues don't really matter in the age of what.cd, sharity blogs, slsk etc. People relate to the past differently now.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, maybe, but it would still nice to have a handy list to check through when browsing through the bins (i.e., searching for shit on amazon).
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissue packages will continue to matter so long as all the stuff obtainable via blogs, slsk, etc. sounds like total crap.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
that too.
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
mike barthel's second comment is really nicely thought out and well said
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2009/01/pazz_and_jop_2008_is_out.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was definitely the album of 2002
I tuned out here.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
keep reading for a xgau dig
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
an
who he?
xxp
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
4. The poll was founded by former Voice music editor Robert Christgau, who is the worst music critic ever, in my humble opinion. I almost didn't want to vote just to avoid furthering, in any way, his legacy of shitty writing.
x-posts
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe it's Dom in North American indie-crit drag?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i would punch that guy in the cock if I met him.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
and I don't even like Xgau much, he just comes across like all through that.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link
like a dick
Hey, I just hoped Michael Lacey smacked the dipshit silly for hedging his bet with that wussy "in my humble opinion."
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I've long said the problem with current music writing is that so much of it is a reaction to what some dudes in Chicago -- dudes increasingly over enamored of Eurotrash disco -- think.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ "eurotrash disco"
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
What is the approx average age of a Pazz & Jop voter?
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
100000
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! That dude is trying to so hard. He definitely read his Hoffman.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The arbitrary comma usage did it for me.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
While it was huge this year, "Paper Plans" actually came out in 2007.
thank u for this valuable information.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
And then his next sentence after the Chicago dis is about how they're/we're "ahead of the game." Guy isn't very bright, is he?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at i got a username out of it.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at least i got ...
Arrested Development winning in 1992, the year The Chronic came out is hilariously telling of how ignorant rock writers were about rap at the time.
^^ shit like this sends me into automatic challops mode because, like, that arrested development cd is pretty good, hindsight is 20/20, and rock writers are still pretty ignorant about rap. cant stand that "lol look how backwards they were 15 years ago!" shit
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's been said, but it's really fucking hilarious calling out someone's writing ability using the phrase "in my humble opinion"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
also: wasn't The Chronic released like December '92?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
"Dear reader, your humble narrator feels that the writer in question has a difficult, and dare I say almost obscene, way of belaboring even the simplest point which could be summed up in but a few concise words as I will attempt to do forthwith."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
The Chronic finished sixth in 1993. (xxpost)
― Matos W.K., Friday, 23 January 2009 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link
wait until we see how well token rock-crit rap album of the year Lil Wayne is gonna hold up in 15 years.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I wanna add that my verdict re dude's brightness isn't limited to the passage about Chicago/"Paper Planes," by the way.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
This is all kind of inside baseball to me, but it cracks me up that he's gonna show bluster about how he hates a guy who used to work at the parent publication so much that he "almost didn't want to vote" but they didn't even send him a ballot because no one at the parent corporation was aware that he's the in-house cool dude now. I bet that his powerful protest has them quaking in their boots.
― dad a, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder how his "they don't know I exist so I'll just act like a grousy douche until they acknowledge my shining light" gambit will work out for him.
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
No great loss, but I'll vote next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.
Guess he hasn't been keeping up with this thread:Village Voice Media being acquired by New Times very soon
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
No great loss, but I'll vote ring up your order at Barnes and Noble next year since this is a Village Voice Media paper.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
They kept the VVM name when they bought it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm talking about all the layoffs
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Got it.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/m_cef56201b2804b0e99be4ef617daec6a.jpg
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^your lolworthy phoenix scribe
― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 23 January 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! Forgot out totally minimalist my ballot was.
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2008/769868
Of course, the fact that I can't vote for my booking clients does cut into my ability to honestly make a year end list.
― Nate Carson, Friday, 23 January 2009 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, forgot how. Not "out".