Is there an obvious reason I just didn't hear about as to why Idolator didn't do a poll this year?
― sw00ds, Friday, 23 January 2009 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link
having two polls probably starting to feel a lil pointless
― xhuxk d (deej), Friday, 23 January 2009 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link
they had that 80+8 countdown thing, which i thought was pretty interesting
― Socktor Duperman (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link
xpit seems odd though after investing so much into it for 2 years.
― sw00ds, Friday, 23 January 2009 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link
783 For Against, Shade Side, Sunny SideWords on Music Points: 10Mentions: 1
wow
you crits can all go fuck yourselves (except for the ace dude who voted for this record)
― Cooking From A Stovetop (electricsound), Friday, 23 January 2009 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link
^overreaction
still, there are a lot of tremendous records that only got one mention. very disappointing. at least the bloc party album did badly.
― Cooking From A Stovetop (electricsound), Friday, 23 January 2009 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link
why Idolator didn't do a poll this year?
Money, man-hours, some combo thereof. (Anything more specific should probably come from the guy who used to run the poll, if it comes from anybody.)
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Idolator was dropped by Gawker this year too, which didn't help, although it seems that running a year-end poll would kind of be a no brainer, even if the situation isn't great.
― miss precious perfect (musically), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post
I think Matos said words to that effect on ilx somewhere. It was too many hours of work.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/amyart.jpg
these things didn't draw themselves
― miss precious perfect (musically), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Keep an eye on the metal poll on Friday. Glenn will be providing stats on it as well as comparing votes on it to the metal/rock votes on P&J. Amongst other stuff that he does so well. I'm sure it will be of interest to just more than those who have voted/been posting on the thread. You might even find out about some great music you may just have missed.
I'll be commencing rundown at approx 2pm UK time.
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
And here is the link ILX METAL ALBUMS OF THE YEAR 2008 RESULTS
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
2xp: yeah, but these did:
http://cache.idolator.com/assets/images/gallery/33/2007/01/medium_346844511_c67903232b_o.jpg
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link
For the record, I told Maura I didn't want to do another poll back in February. The '07 one was a fucking nightmare.
― Matos W.K., Friday, 23 January 2009 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Not to sound all "I walked 18 miles barefoot in the snow just to get to my one-room schoolhouse" about it but I had no help at all last year. Most of the people we sent ballots to didn't get them the first time, necessitating my re-emailing 1400 people to ask if they'd received them and if not to let me know so I could re-send them. This I had the pleasure of doing over the course of a few days on six different email accounts, leading to my being blocked from my two main ones for a couple days each for going over my 24-hour sending limit. I also had other things going on at the time that necessitated my being able to send other kinds of email than "Did you get your ballot?" but you know, all in the line of duty, right? The three people who agreed to intern for me all backed out at the last minute. I think I'll leave it there since I took most of my irritation at the whole thing out on this board last year already.
― Matos W.K., Friday, 23 January 2009 06:54 (fifteen years ago) link
hey glenn, thanks for the explanation on the centricity ratings (btw, i kind of miss "critical alignment," it always sounded like getting one's critical wheels rotated or something, which seems like it might be a useful service, in fact). and may i also say, thanks for keeping up the tradition. i'm pretty boneheaded when it comes to statistics, but i always really enjoy your sifting and sorting of the poll results.
andy k: hey you, get offa my cloud!tim f: yikes!
:)
― pshrbrn, Friday, 23 January 2009 08:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Dean's List '08:
http://robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/deans08.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
bring back the reissues option dammit!!!
(worst thing about the last few P&J's has been the lack of a comprehensive Xgau year-end essay to tie shit up in a nice, neat lil' bundle for lazy sods like moi. agree; disagree; ban.)
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm kind of shocked people aren't posting their rejected comments in the "comments" sections.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost i don't really know if i need to read an essay by a guy who thought the dan le sac vs. scroobius pip song was the 7th best single of the year
― THE HIPSTER DILEMMA (call all destroyer), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
bring back the reissues option dammit!!!Seconded.
― Jazzbo, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissues don't really matter in the age of what.cd, sharity blogs, slsk etc. People relate to the past differently now.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Friday, 23 January 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, maybe, but it would still nice to have a handy list to check through when browsing through the bins (i.e., searching for shit on amazon).
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Reissue packages will continue to matter so long as all the stuff obtainable via blogs, slsk, etc. sounds like total crap.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
that too.
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
mike barthel's second comment is really nicely thought out and well said
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2009/01/pazz_and_jop_2008_is_out.php
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was definitely the album of 2002
I tuned out here.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
keep reading for a xgau dig
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
an
who he?
xxp
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
4. The poll was founded by former Voice music editor Robert Christgau, who is the worst music critic ever, in my humble opinion. I almost didn't want to vote just to avoid furthering, in any way, his legacy of shitty writing.
x-posts
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe it's Dom in North American indie-crit drag?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i would punch that guy in the cock if I met him.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
and I don't even like Xgau much, he just comes across like all through that.
― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link
like a dick
Hey, I just hoped Michael Lacey smacked the dipshit silly for hedging his bet with that wussy "in my humble opinion."
― xhuxk, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I've long said the problem with current music writing is that so much of it is a reaction to what some dudes in Chicago -- dudes increasingly over enamored of Eurotrash disco -- think.
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ "eurotrash disco"
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
What is the approx average age of a Pazz & Jop voter?
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
100000
― BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha! That dude is trying to so hard. He definitely read his Hoffman.
― QuantumNoise, Friday, 23 January 2009 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The arbitrary comma usage did it for me.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
While it was huge this year, "Paper Plans" actually came out in 2007.
thank u for this valuable information.
― tipsy mothra, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
And then his next sentence after the Chicago dis is about how they're/we're "ahead of the game." Guy isn't very bright, is he?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at i got a username out of it.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
at least i got ...
Arrested Development winning in 1992, the year The Chronic came out is hilariously telling of how ignorant rock writers were about rap at the time.
^^ shit like this sends me into automatic challops mode because, like, that arrested development cd is pretty good, hindsight is 20/20, and rock writers are still pretty ignorant about rap. cant stand that "lol look how backwards they were 15 years ago!" shit
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Friday, 23 January 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I know it's been said, but it's really fucking hilarious calling out someone's writing ability using the phrase "in my humble opinion"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
also: wasn't The Chronic released like December '92?
― Ioannis, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link