Pazz & Jop 2008

great argument guys

Is there an obvious reason I just didn't hear about as to why Idolator didn't do a poll this year?

having two polls probably starting to feel a lil pointless

they had that 80+8 countdown thing, which i thought was pretty interesting

xp
it seems odd though after investing so much into it for 2 years.

783 For Against, Shade Side, Sunny Side
Words on Music Points: 10
Mentions: 1

wow

you crits can all go fuck yourselves (except for the ace dude who voted for this record)

^overreaction

still, there are a lot of tremendous records that only got one mention. very disappointing. at least the bloc party album did badly.

why Idolator didn't do a poll this year?

Money, man-hours, some combo thereof. (Anything more specific should probably come from the guy who used to run the poll, if it comes from anybody.)

Idolator was dropped by Gawker this year too, which didn't help, although it seems that running a year-end poll would kind of be a no brainer, even if the situation isn't great.

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I think Matos said words to that effect on ilx somewhere. It was too many hours of work.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/amyart.jpg

these things didn't draw themselves

Keep an eye on the metal poll on Friday. Glenn will be providing stats on it as well as comparing votes on it to the metal/rock votes on P&J. Amongst other stuff that he does so well.
I'm sure it will be of interest to just more than those who have voted/been posting on the thread.
You might even find out about some great music you may just have missed.

I'll be commencing rundown at approx 2pm UK time.

And here is the link ILX METAL ALBUMS OF THE YEAR 2008 RESULTS

2xp: yeah, but these did:

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/images/gallery/33/2007/01/medium_346844511_c67903232b_o.jpg

For the record, I told Maura I didn't want to do another poll back in February. The '07 one was a fucking nightmare.

Not to sound all "I walked 18 miles barefoot in the snow just to get to my one-room schoolhouse" about it but I had no help at all last year. Most of the people we sent ballots to didn't get them the first time, necessitating my re-emailing 1400 people to ask if they'd received them and if not to let me know so I could re-send them. This I had the pleasure of doing over the course of a few days on six different email accounts, leading to my being blocked from my two main ones for a couple days each for going over my 24-hour sending limit. I also had other things going on at the time that necessitated my being able to send other kinds of email than "Did you get your ballot?" but you know, all in the line of duty, right? The three people who agreed to intern for me all backed out at the last minute. I think I'll leave it there since I took most of my irritation at the whole thing out on this board last year already.

hey glenn, thanks for the explanation on the centricity ratings (btw, i kind of miss "critical alignment," it always sounded like getting one's critical wheels rotated or something, which seems like it might be a useful service, in fact). and may i also say, thanks for keeping up the tradition. i'm pretty boneheaded when it comes to statistics, but i always really enjoy your sifting and sorting of the poll results.

andy k: hey you, get offa my cloud!
tim f: yikes!

:)

Dean's List '08:

http://robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/deans08.php

bring back the reissues option dammit!!!

(worst thing about the last few P&J's has been the lack of a comprehensive Xgau year-end essay to tie shit up in a nice, neat lil' bundle for lazy sods like moi. agree; disagree; ban.)

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i'm kind of shocked people aren't posting their rejected comments in the "comments" sections.

xpost i don't really know if i need to read an essay by a guy who thought the dan le sac vs. scroobius pip song was the 7th best single of the year

bring back the reissues option dammit!!!
Seconded.

Reissues don't really matter in the age of what.cd, sharity blogs, slsk etc. People relate to the past differently now.

yeah, maybe, but it would still nice to have a handy list to check through when browsing through the bins (i.e., searching for shit on amazon).

Reissue packages will continue to matter so long as all the stuff obtainable via blogs, slsk, etc. sounds like total crap.

that too.

mike barthel's second comment is really nicely thought out and well said

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2009/01/pazz_and_jop_2008_is_out.php

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was definitely the album of 2002

I tuned out here.

keep reading for a xgau dig

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who he?

xxp

4. The poll was founded by former Voice music editor Robert Christgau, who is the worst music critic ever, in my humble opinion. I almost didn't want to vote just to avoid furthering, in any way, his legacy of shitty writing.

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maybe it's Dom in North American indie-crit drag?

i would punch that guy in the cock if I met him.

and I don't even like Xgau much, he just comes across like all through that.

like a dick

Hey, I just hoped Michael Lacey smacked the dipshit silly for hedging his bet with that wussy "in my humble opinion."

I've long said the problem with current music writing is that so much of it is a reaction to what some dudes in Chicago -- dudes increasingly over enamored of Eurotrash disco -- think.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ "eurotrash disco"

What is the approx average age of a Pazz & Jop voter?

100000

Ha! That dude is trying to so hard. He definitely read his Hoffman.

I tuned out here.

The arbitrary comma usage did it for me.

While it was huge this year, "Paper Plans" actually came out in 2007.

thank u for this valuable information.

And then his next sentence after the Chicago dis is about how they're/we're "ahead of the game." Guy isn't very bright, is he?

at i got a username out of it.

at least i got ...

Arrested Development winning in 1992, the year The Chronic came out is hilariously telling of how ignorant rock writers were about rap at the time.

^^ shit like this sends me into automatic challops mode because, like, that arrested development cd is pretty good, hindsight is 20/20, and rock writers are still pretty ignorant about rap. cant stand that "lol look how backwards they were 15 years ago!" shit

I know it's been said, but it's really fucking hilarious calling out someone's writing ability using the phrase "in my humble opinion"