Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

"marked especially" you secret republican

Plus you're gonna copy-paste the dictionary at me?

whoa guys fire up the DVR cuz Seacrest is gonna give us an update on what social media was saying about Phelps last night

u guys this fucking segment

oh no. u weren't joking and now i am watching it.

"pretty cool to get a tweet from the president"

televised sports, familiar bastion of liberaldom

most of the man-boys on here are liberals, and I'd say more than half like sports

lol, u must be anticipating the zing

they're americans. Americans love sports.

everyone loves sports tbh

Plus you're gonna copy-paste the dictionary at me?

a completely legit strategy when the meaning of words is under dispute man

everyone loves sports tbh

*AHEM*

^^^ why shakey is my bro

xxp If it meant, like, "dog" or something it would be fine. But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry. Which I expect from Kevin K. And you sometimes, too, tbh, even though you're an extremely smart, articulate guy.

That language essentialist bent of Kevin's is something he has in common with his buddy Antonin Scalia.

I don't know if rooting for an athlete ONLY bcz they're from your country is jingoistic, but it is senseless, but then so is rooting for laundry.

This whole "hallowed" thing around the Olympics is the unfathomable part. It's mostly crass showbiz.

so was the parthenon!

But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry.we are wrong.

lie down and tell us more about your 'friend', bamcquern

That language essentialist bent of Kevin's is something he has in common with his buddy Antonin Scalia.

looool

explaining to you how you're using a word wrong is not and will never be "essentialism" of any kind

thanks for playing

question*: if rooting for your country in the olympics is 'nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree' than what are some examples of nationalist sentiment that aren't to an excessive degree?

*nb i don't really care about the answer

USA rules, bamcquern drools

then*

my one pet peeve about definition beefs is when someone cut and pastes one definition and excludes the other definitions that don't fit their argument (often from the same fucking dictionary)

my one pet peeve about definition beefs is when someone cut and pastes one definition and excludes the other definitions that don't fit their argument (often from the same fucking dictionary)

well, but...the use of a word tends to be in one of several definitions where multiple definitions exist; it's ok to quote the salient part of the definition of "level" if the argument's about architecture and not, say, video games

or layers of meaning

guys

Isn't universal 'national chauvinism' pretty much the entire point of the Olympics?

pretty much the entire point of producing American babies

Isn't universal 'national chauvinism' pretty much the entire point of the Olympics?

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, August 2, 2012 10:18 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The olympics is both nationalism/pride and bringing people together in sport so they can shed the past wars/divisions for a couple weeks.

Uh that is not how it works.

also lots of athletes fucking each other

The definitions would only exclude each other if you favored "extreme" over "excessive." There was no "explaining how I'm using a word wrong." There was a dictionary definition that doesn't particularly contradict my, the Slate person's, and my "friend"'s usage, and using a dictionary for this kind of supposedly authoritative hairsplitting is classic language essentialism. What else would it be but pointing to an absolute definition of a word that absolutely excludes extremely similar definitions?

And you said "thanks for playing"? You're not self-conscious about writing glib, canned responses like that?

well, but...the use of a word tends to be in one of several definitions where multiple definitions exist; it's ok to quote the salient part of the definition of "level" if the argument's about architecture and not, say, video games

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh sure but there's also nuanced definitions that apply to the same context. And you'll see someone just quote one of the 4 that apply.

bamcquern if it makes you feel better i can take the point that the olympics are what you think jingoism means

The definitions would only exclude each other if you favored "extreme" over "excessive." There was no "explaining how I'm using a word wrong." There was a dictionary definition that doesn't particularly contradict my, the Slate person's, and my "friend"'s usage, and using a dictionary for this kind of supposedly authoritative hairsplitting is classic language essentialism. What else would it be but pointing to an absolute definition of a word that absolutely excludes extremely similar definitions?

you are using the word wrong, you're never going to accept that because you feel like arguing, the idea that referring to a dictionary is "essentialism" is so stupid as to beggar belief, thanks for playing

djp otm

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/02/016Chickfila-Politics_540x405.jpg

"i hate gay people! also i love the #1 combo. can't beat it! i hate gay people!"

was it Dike-Fil-A for Huckleberry Graham?

I thought he liked chicken - just not that kind?

It's the Chick Fil-A Show.

(stolen from facebook)

Ex-IDaho GOP Senator: "that gay bathroom sex was official business!"

"I stand with Chick Fil-A"

Uh buddy, you're sitting.

"we had it for breakfast today, but my usual order is the #1 combo with repression and shame"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/04/science/earth/cass-sunstein-to-leave-top-regulatory-post.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120804

Good riddance (although yeah he did a few good things)

Few proposed rules escaped his gaze or his editor’s pen. Of the hundreds of regulations issued by the administration as of late last year, three-quarters were changed at OIRA, often at the urging of corporate interests, according to an analysis from the Center for Progressive Reform, a liberal-leaning group that monitors federal regulation. For rules from the Environmental Protection Agency, the figure was closer to 80 percent, the group found. In virtually every case, the rule was weakened, the group claimed.

Professor Steinzor cited Mr. Sunstein’s role in the killing of the E.P.A.’s proposed tightening of the standard for ozone pollution, the indefinite delay of rules governing coal ash disposal and the withdrawal earlier this year of a proposed update of child agricultural labor standards.

Yeah, I read that just before I went to bed last night and had such sweet, peaceful dreams

So weird to have my wife tell me about ppl coming and going at her job and them reason about it in national papers

So Texas tea party fave and likely to be elected US Senator Ted Cruz went to Harvard Law, clerked for Rehnquist and pushes some crazy ideas:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/31/619461/five-things-to-know-about-gop-senate-candidate-ted-cruz/