Ha! Tell that to a nurse. Some (not all) pro athletes fast. Working at a day camp might be tough but there are any number of physically challenging jobs that people manage fine with. Unless there's a really strong reason for prohibiting it, it's difficult to see a justification.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
its well known that all muslim countries shut down all camps schools and daycare during ramadan
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:48 (eleven years ago) link
one big reason why muslims have never run a successful civilization is that theyve always been too tired to have successful daycamps
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
I thought muslim countries for the most part shut down during Ramadan. You're supposed to pray all day, right? Guess that's not fully the case? Still, it's the kind of thing where as someone in charge of a child, you should be able to take care of yourself to make sure that you're able to respond optimally to whatever situation may arise.
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― how's life, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
theres a famous verse in the koran -- "No matter what, you have to fast, dawn till dusk. Literally, no exceptions."
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
you can fast while taking care of kids fwiw
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
no... pretty sure you cant
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, being a doctor or a nurse is nowhere near as physically active as being a camp counselor.
― how's life, Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:20 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
o rly
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
every year in muslims countries thousands of childrens die at the hands of fasting caretakers
― max, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
ortho jewish day camps pretty much shut down all activities during the two summer fast days - u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
anyway, france has kind of a pattern when it comes to this kind of thing...hard to take the camp at its word.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think it's inconceivable that a person might be rendered incapable of working during ramadan, but most muslims who fast, especially in non-muslims countries, work for a month fasting every year. you get used to it.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
u def don't want your lifeguard in the middle of a fast
i thought eating before swimming was dangerous
― ledge, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like it would be really hard to know if the fasting woman got in a car accident because she was fasting or just because people get into car accidents sometimes. i would be interested in hearing more details about that. i have driven while fasting so many times y'all.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
but were you driving fast?
― ledge, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
*rimshot*
― Nhex, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
this is straying from the point but the hardest thing about ramadan as an adult is caffeine restriction if you're an addict like me. the no food from dawn to dusk thing is cake in comparison.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Coffee cake?
― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
I just watched a biking documentary where one guy in the desert made breakfast like this: One gas station cherry pie, sprinkled with coffee grounds. That could be you!
― check the name, no caps, boom, i'm (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
also, a dawn to dusk fast is significantly less debilitating than a 24 hour fast
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
i'd be more concerned about the health, esp related to hydration, of anyone fasting while working at a camp than i'd be concerned about the children
to be completely honest, sometimes i have thought ramadan-in-its-full-devotional-dimension is not completely compatible with modern lives/economies. in muslim countries, stuff does tend to shut down during the day during ramadan and sometimes i wonder how that's economically feasible, but i don't know the particulars in much detail. (also the idea of an order where people don't have to work for a month seems kind of awesome to me, but that's neither here nor there.) in non-muslim countries, muslims fast all month and do their work. i used to be one of those muslims and i never had a problem.
xp it's really fine. you hydrate a lot before dawn and when you break you fast at dusk.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
speaking as someone who worked at camps during fast days, even if you hydrate before dawn and after dusk you're still being exposed to very hot weather that really necessitates hydration throughout the day. this is why, i believe, ortho camps do indoor movie watching type stuff on fast days and not regularly scheduled sports/outdoors/swimming/hiking type programming
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i mean, i worked in a camp this summer and it is hard for me to imagine not drinking water all day, but i don't know. maybe this is wack faux-biology on my part, but i feel like fasting for a month, your body kind of re-adjusts and regulates itself differently.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'll admit that I was sorta shocked when I learned that anothe, Muslim, student had scheduled his board exam at the end of Ramadan. Like, dude, it's high summer and you're studying with no brain sugar. But he told me that you just get used to it.
Also loads of ppl in the world do what Muslims do on the reg, without thinking about it: coffee/snack in the morning, skip lunch, go home and eat dinner.
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
my dad has practiced pediatrics his entire professional life fasting during ramadan. will no one think of the misdiagnosed children?
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
kidding! he's not misdiagnosing children, guys, i promise!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
what relevance does the mayor being a communist have?
He's not a Catholic trying to keep France 'European'. He's a secularist trying to lessen the influence of religion on public law and behavior. If you know about the Lois Ferry (the Ferry Laws) of 1881 which made education obligatory, free and, in the case of public education, secular, and the firestorm they have always sparked on the French Right, you can see the context here. Communists in France are occasionally demagogues when it comes to race and culture but they're not the FN or the Action française and generally, they predictably downplay traditional culture(s) and identity in preference to class identity.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
They should also bar Type-II diabetics from working in children's camps.
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
It's a context that has often made me get in massive arguments with French leftists about what I would call 'First Amendment' rights. Having a rooted national culture in a way that we do not (despite WASP hegemony), one that precedes rational ideology and professes loyalty not so much to ideals as racial, even local custom, and to Catholicism ('The eldest daughter of the Church', Pepin as savior of the Papacy, etc...), secular French leftists are far more suspicious of individual religious autonomy than Americans are. Religion has been a huge thorn in the side of France for centuries.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
What I find interesting about this whole kerfuffle is that the camp workers seem to have provoked the whole thing. It's as if they're saying, "We're here. We're Muslim. Get used to it!"
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I guess maybe that rhymes in French?
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link
ban vegans from camp counseling
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
We're talking camp counselors here, right? These Muslims can't be older than 22, right
― Ówen P., Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
There are over 40,000 inhabitants in Gennevilliers and a new mosque, built in 2009.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
Is Kia-Ora racist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB2xYdjt7bE&feature=related
― gygax! II: pornograffitti (admrl), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
or Um Bongo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=wYj5o4kQsXs
where is gygax I
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
I'm in the Congo now and this is bull***t. doesn't exist.
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― Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/06/opinion-why-focus-on-gabby-douglas-hair/?hpt=hp_c2
Not talking about the editorial here but rather its subject, which honestly is reason #1 why I limit my exposure to social media.
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
after training in the humidity of central iowa for so long, I'm amazed she was able to contain her hair at all
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
my friend told me that at least twice this summer her hair has been touched, without her permission, in public
― smells like ok (soda) (dayo), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
I blame Tosh.0
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
otm.0
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
This is me when it comes to discussion about black women and their hair.
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And more because I'm not a woman than because I'm not black.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
I watched Gabby get interviewed last night. Her hair looked fine to me, though I wasn't paying attention to it really.
I was more in shock that this young women was born after the Oklahoma City bombing and then the joints in my knees started to hurt.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
Well that's the stupid thing; people were criticizing how her hair looked on the podium after she'd spent the evening competing in the all-around. The only way her hair was going to look immaculate after all of that is if it had been tightly braided.
But, more to the point, SHE JUST WON THE ALL-AROUND MEDAL, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TUT-TUTTING OVER HER HAIR
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
Has anyone mentioned the monkey ad that ran after Bob Costa's little soliloquy on race?
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
That… could have been thought out a bit more.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link