Rockist Git Frank Turner and the horror of the live version of "I Still Believe"

He means wah wah I don't like paying taxes

Except for defence!

I don't know why e.g. Billy Bragg is so tight w/ this fellow

What the actual fuck?! What a dick

I can measure out in one hand exactly how much I give a shit

why is he holding units of shit in his hand

u know what isn't violent neoliberalism that's what.

well it's not violent on his family's country estate, that's for sure.

Only £37.99 for this

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I assumed it was going to be this
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More "anarchist" fun.

http://moonandbackmusic.com/archives/1323

FT: Something that I find increasingly as i get older is that, ironically enough, there’s a real mainstream political opinion within the music world, which is broadly left wing and if you’re not left wing you really better not mention it, because people will get real fucking shirty with you. To start with, most people don’t seem to understand what the difference between left and right is. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. I consider myself a libertarian, I consider myself to be pretty right wing and I get shit for saying that out loud. I was thinking about it the other day, I was thinking about how, quite often, I do keep myself to myself on the subject because I can’t be fucking bothered to have some guy look all shocked at me because I think socialism’s retarded. Then I actually thought hold on a minute here, one of the many things that everybody preaches, which I sincerely agree with, is fucking stand up for what you believe in. I strongly believe that Che Guevara was a racist, homophobic, murdering thug and I strongly believe that people who wear U.S.S.R. t-shirts are as offensive as people who wear Nazi t-shirts to me because, in fact, they killed considerably more people and I’m fucking passionate about that kind of thing. So I was like I should actually write a song about this, because I do firmly believe it. I do firmly believe that leftist politics lead to the misery of many, the crushing of the little guy and all that kind of thing. I mean, it’s important for me to say that in public because I believe it strongly and that sometimes in life you’ve got to fucking put your foot down.…

IC: Who’re you gonna vote for?

FT: Well, I don’t know. I don’t want to vote for the Coservatives because I think David Cameron’s a shit and the reason he’s a shit is as statused as New Labor. I think New Labor are one of the fucking worst things to happen to this country ever, pretty much. I think, arguably, particularly with the signing of the Lisbon treaty it’s actually the end of about 800 years of continuous parliamentary history. I think the people responsible for the signing of that fucking treaty without asking the people of Britain need to burn in fucking hell.

they killed considerably more people and I’m fucking passionate about that kind of thing

I always thought that "shirty" referred to second base, via this Madness song:

Once went out with a London girl
Dirty weekend in a hotel
Broke it off when she got shirty
She was twelve and he was thirty

libertarian mourns passing of continuous parliamentary history

Libertarian is a wanker shockah.

think you need to read his quotes in an authentic sloaney bray to get the full flavour

just saw that quote on Facebook, assume it's doing the rounds there and elsewhere

I am frustratingly sure I have a punk zine from c. 1998 with a column/letter (same difference tbh) in which teenage Frank drips with leftist invective - may look again this evening

The fun doesn't stop there:

http://www.huckmagazine.com/features/frank-turner-interview-short-stories/

think you need to read his quotes in an authentic sloaney bray to get the full flavour

I also imagine him hollering "HEAR YE, HEAR YE" before each of his responses.

Guardian summary. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/sep/04/frank-turner-right-wing

God to think I had to explain to a group of people just how odious this vom-inducer is the other day...

I'd barely heard of him before the 'lympix opening ceremony, and thought he seemed pretty innocuous there. But now, what a monstrous cockfarmer.

is this like Weller's we're all voting conservative of old?

Even more odious, I'd say.

In that Turner seems like an even less liable chap.

Likeable

xps depends, did people take til about 1980 to notice he said it?

aw I had a lawyer joke all cued up and ready to go

Weller made one comment, primarily as a wind-up - Turner talks about this at length and reads Hayek. It's up to you which you find more odious. Personally, I can't stand anyone who whiffs of Atlas Shrugged so I'd take Weller's old school trolling any day.

I'd barely heard of him before the 'lympix opening ceremony, and thought he seemed pretty innocuous there.

there was nothing innocuous about that shit

Just found out he went to the LSE. Guess he'd have been in the same year as me. There's an incredibly strong, incredibly odd, libertarian vibe to the study body that, by and large, isn't shared by the staff. It's the only university i'm aware of that has a Hayek society. Might explain where some of this comes from more than Eton.

Browsing on a music messageboard earlier today, I came across a thread devoted to Frank Turner, which linked to an interview he gave last year.

haha

Yeah. Last time I linked to something on ILX in public there was an anguished debate about whether this was what the world needed, though. So this time I kept it to "a music messageboard".

Was asked to write the blog by an editor, after the Twitter stuff all day. Was a little reluctant, cos it's old news, but I've never seen this stuff picked up in the mainstream before; took the MP tweeting about it for it to be worth bringing up on a blog, really. Someone from the Independent tweeted that they'd got rightwing stuff from him in an interview, but it was nothing like as extreme as the stuff in those interviews I took from. Took care to quote at length precisely so people couldn't say I was taking him out of context.

Expecting to be unable to look at my Twitter for a couple of days once the fanbase mobilise.

also paul weller was in the jam and this fuckstain is some kinda prep school fake working class Sir Punklesworth Cougar Mellencamp III who writes godawful music

ahh i didn't know it was you!

xp

countdown to a duet with Nicki Minaj starts now

Wiki reckons Turner went to Eton on a scholarship. Even though his father was an investment banker and his grandfather was chairman of British Home Stores. Which suggests he might not have needed a scholarship.

depends, maybe his father was a terrible banker

Like that matters

american libertarians are at least explicable within that country's history & tradition of anti-federalism etc, so within certain limits deserve pity as much derision

libertarians from countries other than america are peculiarly hateful

idk if i'm willing to buy that distinction but it is interesting

let's take over the thread on this useless cunt to talk about the old right

a paleoconservative congressman from idaho vomitting all over their shoes in the restroom of a hooters has more dignity than frank turner could ever even aspire to

jeez ithappens give credit where it's due, what this board needs is dozens of frank turner acolytes.

this guy is a remarkable all-time tool.

If they turn up even the most mild-mannered posters would be zinging them.

For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party. For example, the BNP are a hard left party.

Norman Tebbit tried a few times in the past few years to promote that line.

They should lock this guy and Bobby Gillespie in a room with a shitload of booze and record what happens.

and MIA

And Nicki Minaj.

And Hinder