It was quite a trend, with the Satanic govt entities
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for reminding me of Sybil Exposed. I found it completely fascinating and told all my friends to read it though none did. Some people probably think it's a simple debunking story but it really delves into many strange and creepy aspects of our recent cultural history. It would make a great choice for a book club.
What's disturbing is to read reviews of it and see people still defending the original Sybil book or at least trying to salvage some bit of truth from the whole premise of it.
I'm not sure about the veracity of the case of "Eve," but she only had three faces while Sybil claimed 16.
― Josefa, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
I remember as a kid, being inundated with "child abuse" media... lots of tv movies (I remember one about a father that sexual abused his kids but I don't remember the title), that one mini series wherein Farrah Fawcett murders her kids, Sybil, etc. I remember thinking every adult wanted to murder me and/or molest me. It was kinda creepy.
― homosexual II, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
EIII please do
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, July 30, 2012 10:23 AM (2 hours ago)
I would like a signet paperback covers thread.
― tokyo rosemary, Monday, July 30, 2012 10:55 AM (2 hours ago)
here ya go
signet horror paperback covers of the 70s and 80s and related desiderata
― vincent black shadow giallo (Edward III), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
From the Age of Trilogies, of coursehttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51PSM2KB02L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
not only social workers................................
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
this is the point in the conversation where I feel obligated to point out that child abuse is very very common and a lot of these people's fantasies about beyond-the-pale organized abuse rings are probably ways of coping with more garden-variety horrors like "an uncle abused me one time & when I mentioned it to my mother she said not to worry about it and that it wouldn't happen again, which it didn't, but it still had a terrible effect on me" -- stories like that in people's pasts that fuck them up real good but lack the Giant Demonic Cabal aspect that at least makes them feel like there was some meaning in there somewhere
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
like, my point is, it'd be nice to think of the people advancing these narratives as just cynical hucksters, but for your cynicism to be that total, probably something very fucked up happened to you at some point during your development
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
the above point is U & K
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
and only makes it sadder
That's what I meant about xpost Much more harrowing: sorting out truth and BS in child-abuse scandals
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
applies to genesis of Satanic too
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
one prob with exploitation in 70s and 80s, would to such stupefying heights, esp when cable TV talk shows ruled, there would be a pile-on of "experts", a lot of people would eventually automatically tune out, the circus would move on and/or just make regular news-cycle returns, real child abuse etc would still be a problem, with possibilities of hysteria, exploitation factored into hesitations and/or rationalizations of reporting abuse.
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
and only makes it sadderagree 100%
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
that's part of why sybil exposed is so poignant -- each of these women are real people looking for something in their own lives, each a different thing, and to think that they got tangled up in something so extensive is totally fascinating.
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link
I run a large-scale Satanic cult but we are 100% anti-abuse, we do all the other stuff like blood rituals and heavy doper parties but without the abuse part we can't seem to attract any media attention
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, July 30, 2012 7:14 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
there was an x-files episode that was basically about this (and fake repressed memories!), it didn't work out so well b/c satan got pissed.
― JoeStork, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
I dated someone who claimed to have been a satanist in his 20's. He told me they had crazy orgies and goat blood and shit. And he had an altar to Baphomet in his apartment, but then freaky shit went down and he stopped being a satanist. Can anyone Satanists in the house confirm these rituals? I am curious. FOREVER CURIOUS.
― homosexual II, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
"They had crazy orgies - involving goat blood n shit" (not actual shit)
Sorry, bad grammar today.
― homosexual II, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51T5fAJG5vL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
― the late great, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
click to look inside THIS PSYCHO'S BRRANE
― the late great, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
see Ed Sanders' The Family Seemed pretty solid, don't know how it might compare to prosecuter Vincent Bugliosi's Helter Skelter
― dow, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
always thought trudi chase was like the punchline to the hardworkin' jamaicans gag on in living color
"you only got eighteen personalities? why so lazy, i got NINETY TWO!"
― the late great, Monday, 30 July 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed -- I think it would probably be easier to live with the idea of a mysterious satanic cult being responsible for your abuse than your dad or your favorite teacher.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
Twin Peaks etc
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
So did Sybil's mom actually abuse her or was that all up to?
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not sure there's an easy y/n answer to that question.
All signs point to no, as far as this book is concerned. Mattie/Hattie was weird, but the really gory stuff detailed in the book did not happen if Sybil Exposed is to be believed, and I think it is. None of the accusations were confirmed by people close to her, including the family housekeeper who kept in touch with Shirley/Sybil long after she left home. There was no grain storage barn for her to be suffocated in. No one ever saw her defecate on their (or anyone else's) lawn, and the family doctor Otoniel Flores was long dead and his papers had been destroyed too.
I would hate to say that I "don't believe" Shirley because that's not true either. She was under the influence of a powerfully persuasive woman who injected her with powerful drugs and kept her otherwise medicated for a really really long time. Dr Wilbur also kept Shirley in debt to her for the years of therapy all while helping her to get jobs in the field of mental health. If anyone abused Shirley Mason to the point where her life was ruined, it's sadly more likely to be Dr Wilbur than her mother. The screenwriter expressed a lot of doubt about the stories, even Flora Schreiber expressed doubts about the stories, but everyone just kept going with the business of Sybil, LLC.
Plus, a lot of original material was destroyed when Dr Wilbur died and left her estate to one of her former patients and confidants, who proceed to shred/dispose of a whole lot of papers and notes and whatnot. It's a big mess, basically.
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that is what I sort of thought but wasn't clear on. Totally going to read this.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
But Joanne Woodward's so kindly.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
When I was in college, Ed and Lorraine Warren came to speak.
I had a work-study job for the activities board, and was assigned to pick them up in their hotel. I had them sit in the back seat of my Toyota, and I drove them to the college. They did not talk to me or each other for the entire twenty minute ride. I had forgotten some keys in my dorm room, so I had them come with me when I retrieved them. Ed stood downstairs (I think he smoked a cigarette) and Lorraine came up. I tried to make small talk with her, but she just stood in the doorway while I grabbed the keys.
When I went back downstairs, she said "He's got a veeerry interesting room, Eddie" and winked at her husband. And then I didn't sleep for two weeks.
― baking (soda), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1252845799l/1507013.jpg
― baking (soda), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha oh man
I had to look her up that that is the lady is often on the trashy ghost shows I like
Wait - what do they have to do with Sybil or MPD?
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
oh maybe just demons? nm
Anyway, that lady rules. I would have made her investigate my room. nb I don't actually believe in ghosts. At all.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
They don't have anything to do with sybil/MPD but they were ghost hunters real early in the game. They were basically the equiv of the little old lady in Poltergeist.
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I was just kind of riffing on the theme of possession. Lorraine Warren is a sweet old loon. She played some truly terrifying recordings of exorcisms, and showed us video of a rocking chair moving on its own, and 8mm footage of a posessed Raggedy Ann doll named Annabelle. She told us you'll only see ghosts if you want to, and never to mess with Oujia boards.
― baking (soda), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
I still don't believe it. We used to play with Ouija boards at every sleep over I ever had between about 11 and 14. Someone was always moving it.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
posessed Raggedy Ann doll named Annabelle
That sounds pretty scary though.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Totally watch all those shows though. Chip Coffey is my favorite paranormal investigator. We're Facebook friends.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, July 30, 2012 3:25 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Fuck I listened to a podcast abt this case last year, it was awesome... can't remember which one...
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://efeyas.hubpages.com/hub/Annabelle-The-Possessed-Doll-A-Terrifying-Case
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
they used to give spooky talks at my high school during halloween. and this was after the demon murder case that they were involved in. you'd think they'd want to steer clear of my town. they are good at being spooky though! and they set the bar with amityville.
― scott seward, Monday, 30 July 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
The haunted doll is amazing
― homosexual II, Monday, 30 July 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Seamingly, from no where, a liquidy red substance had appeared on the doll.
Nice uninentional punwork in the awful grammar there.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 July 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
they set the bar with amityville
We used to drive by the horror house all the time when I was in HS until Amy Fisher shot Mary-Jo Buttafuco and then we'd drive by her and Joey's house instead.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
Long Island is very exciting you see.
The creepiest haunted doll has to be Robert.
― tokyo rosemary, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
Also the guy who wrote the book about Amityville ate in my parents restaurant shortly after it was published and showed my mom a necklace he'd had made which was a silver model of the book. I think he died weirdly a couple years thereafter.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
WHO IS ROBERT?
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Never read Sibyl or most of the other books mentioned in this thread, but I did read The Minds of Billy Milligan when I was in maybe junior high. Pretty fucked up stuff, and obviously I was in no position at that age to judge whether it was all true, all bullshit, or some mixture of the two.
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
ENBB, Robert the Doll
― tokyo rosemary, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
Ahhhhhh!
Going to Key West for my birthday later this year. Totally gonna go see Robert.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Monday, 30 July 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link