THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: ABOLISH OFFSIDES

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football is easily the best sport in the world, doesnt need rule changes

this is pathetic btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJEnwi7otu0

moullet, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

ya IMO that's fucking dumb
didn't you gits learn anything about THE DREM TEAM

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

i kinda think MLS should abolish offsides and change some other rules because thatd be an awesome disrespectful american thing to do, and i mean why not before you just have another second rate league, now you have a crazy second rate league thats a laboratory for the rest of the world and everyone has opinons abt it

― lag∞n, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like this

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

if it were the full teams it might draw too much attention away from the other stuff

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

David stern doesn't want his precious toys to be opened and become near-mint condition

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

Olympics should be, as a rule, dopest players v dopest players

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

football is easily the best sport in the world, doesnt need rule changes

― moullet, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:54 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even if its the best, doesnt mean it cant be improved, thinking otherwise is a setup for DOWNFALL

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

tbh it would be hard to gaf about olympic soccer if there were no restrictions. with something like basketball it is p much your only chance to roll out a national side, so i can understand the appeal more.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

ya but if it really is the dopest soccer players then you basically have the world cup on top of the olympics

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

even if there were no restrictions

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

besides, U23 wd mean Michael Jordan can't declare Tunisian citizenship and have one more go in 2016

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

every sport could use some tweaks, most of my problems with soccer are w/ the ridiculous amount of flopping but i understand it is like bit even cool to bring this up

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

that was an xp to m bison xp to rs

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

yeah mine was an xp to myself

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

bit = not

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

abolish XPs

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

tbh it would be hard to gaf about olympic soccer if there were no restrictions. with something like basketball it is p much your only chance to roll out a national side, so i can understand the appeal more.

― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basketball actually has a world cup tournament every four years that apparently everyone save the usa takes more seriously than the olympics

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

ya but if it really is the dopest soccer players then you basically have the world cup on top of the olympics

― iatee, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this would be awesome tho, and tbf its a mini world cup cause half as many teams

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

ya but think of the synchronized swimmers, who is gonna watch them when they're on at the same time as brazil vs spain

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

xps oh lol, who knew? don't they do something like that with baseball too, between PR, DR and Japan?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

already have the euro during olympic years

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

world baseball classic, coming this march

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

it is a joek

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

basketball world cup is p sweet tho obvs itd be better if the usa wasnt so superior to everyone else, tho they have due to a combination of single elimination format, international rules, top players opting out, and bad officiating actually lost a couple times

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link

top players have pretty busy schedules with their clubs in all these sports. i can see getting up for an olympics or world cup every four years, but fuck a davis cup

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

leave the davis cup for tennis or golf or whatever

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

sports where both teams rack up big scores have other pleasures but the act of scoring itself is diminished in them imo

that's why i like basketball, because scoring itself is often (like every few points) extremely entertaining, involving dunks, layups, fakes, etc

itd just be school yard soccer

strikes me as correct OR you could just watch indoor soccer and see what you think of that

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

lol it would resemble neither, how ridiculous

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

its like saying the only thing separating the nba from a pick up game is the three second rule

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

you can play zone d in the nba now; that's the only thing separating it from pickup

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

wtf did ILF turn into bigsoccer

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not suggesting it'd be indoor soccer (cause it's not indoors and the ball doesn't bounce off walls and it's not played like five per side) just that maybe indoor soccer is something to think about (cf NV bringing up hockey)

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

actually doesn't hockey have an offsides rule too, isn't that what "icing" is?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

icing is different from offsides

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

could we have a thread about promotion/relegation in MLS next plz

xp offside in hockey is the exact same concept except the blue line is the threshold instead of the last defender.

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

I've never really understood icing

obv we should have relegation in every American sport, it's the most ruthless concept, I love it

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

icing is basically to prevent one team from wasting tons of time by firing the puck all the way into the opponent's end repeatedly

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

ok they call that offside or they call that icing, dan?

i thought icing was intentionally firing the puck past "the blue line" so that your dude could zip up there and technically not be offside?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

ah i didn't realize it was a time-wasting / defensive tactic

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

i don't watch hockey, i feel like i can't ever see the puck

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

icing is firing the puck from your half of the ice to beyond the other extended goal line -- generally because your team is under pressure and you're just haphazardly trying to relieve it

the puck must enter the offensive zone (at the blue line) before any offensive players or it is offside

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

(there also used to be an offside aka two-line pass, but that is currently legal)

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Where are all my ilf homies? What sport are you talking about? Who even are you guys?

Trying to imagine what would happen: I can't recall exactly why the rule was introduced, but it (eventually, after about fifty years) had the very odd unintended consequence that the effective field-of-play moves around the actual field-of-play based on where the defenders are positioned. So play gets compressed into a much tighter area (benefitting quick-thinking, quick-footed players) with a gap behind them that you need expert timing to attack.

So if the rule were abolished, the following would probably happen:

  • defenders would sit deeper to close off the vulnerable area behind them
  • making the effective field-of-play much bigger
  • meaning less skilful players would prosper
  • probably meaning faster and stronger guys, because there'd be more loose balls to tackle for, and more space to chase into
I'm guessing it'd develop into a game something like basketball, where the tactic would be for the defending team to sit back and let the attackers have control of the pitch outside the 'scoring zone', with only a couple of big, strong forwards to keep them honest. The attacking team would either use this to take long shots, or else neutralise the defenders' numerical advantage by playing high balls to try to score from headers. So defences would double up their full backs to stop crosses from dangerous positions close to the goalline.

It'd be shit.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

we could definitely use a klata scale for other sports btw

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

this is kinda what indoor and basketball is like except w/ soccer the field is a lot bigger so i'm not sure?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

I'll get working on a modern pentathlon one

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: I Love Football as a private board with entry criteria i.e. watching more than 45 minutes every four years

pandemic otm, dan m otm, Klata otm

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

Everyone else should go watch this crazy 'water polo' business, it seems pretty dope but maybe it could be doper, idk?

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

Or is this some sort of payback - are random Brit and Euro ppl polluting ILH with garbage about how Team USA should press full-court every possession because Barcelona etc.?

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

can you even imagine if ILF was packed with a bunch of people who don't really have a clue what they're talking about prattling on inanely?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link


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