You Make Polling Fun: FLEETWOOD MAC POLL RESULTS, ILM Artist Poll #22

Clarke, thanks for redoing these. It's ridiculously easy to slip up with so much data to juggle. Out of interest where did 'Mystified' place.?

oh diane in the top 60! >:[

Catching up from the point where I had to log off last night:

#7 Hold Me - OK, didn't see that coming. I shall have to give it another listen.
#6 The Chain - bottom of my ballot but only because I knew it'd get plenty of love anyway. Could just as easily have been in my top 10. Would love to hear the song that was scrapped from which they only saved the Formula 1 bit.
#5 You Make Loving Fun - my intro to (Buck-Nicks era) F Mac. This was in my top 5 and am tempted to say it's a perfect song. Only...
#4 Sara - ...then I wouldn't have any superlatives left for this. My #1. Why isn't it ILM's???
#3 Rihannon - didn't vote for this, but I like it a lot.
#2 GYOW - my #3
#1 Dreams - my #2. If not 'Sara' then it had to be this. Stevie's best vocal. Amazing, hypnotic, (and loud!) bass playing from McVie.

A word about the one thing on my ballot that didn't place, "Need Your Love So Bad". I know it's a cover, and there are plenty of competing versions out there, but I find Green's vocal on it quietly devastating - one of the few times I'd answer that old 'Can Blue Men Sing The Whites?' question in the affirmative. Beautifully sympathetic guitar and strings too.

And finally, thanks Clarke! Enjoyed this and definitely plan to check out some Kirwan-era Mac now.

this has been my fave poll
thanks everyone

i don't think my votes would have altered too much
save bumping everywhere and big love up a bit

My ballot - my first ever 20/20

1. Everywhere (McVie)
2. Over & Over (McVie)
3. Man of the World (Green)
4. Dreams (Nicks)
5. You Make Loving Fun (McVie)
6. Rhiannon (Nicks)
7. Albatross (Green)
8. Brown Eyes (McVie)
9. Little Lies (McVie)
10. Keep On Going (Welch)
11. Sara (Nicks)
12. Landslide (Nicks)
13. Hypnotized (Welch)
14. What Makes You Think You’re the One (Buckingham)
15. Future Games (Welch)
16. Never Going Back Again (Buckingham)
17. Silver Springs (Nicks)
18. That’s All for Everyone (Buckingham)
19. Songbird (McVie)
20. Oh Well – Parts I & II (Green)

oh diane in the top 60!

Yeah I don't get this at all. No "Save Me a Place", but "Oh Diane" slips in??

Clarke, thanks for redoing these. It's ridiculously easy to slip up with so much data to juggle. Out of interest where did 'Mystified' place.?

― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, July 27, 2012 4:43 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Mystified" was *just* out of the top 60, clocking in at #64 (2 votes, 1 number one vote as you know)... I'll roll out the list of slightly modified results this morning!

Clarke, your diligence and transparency are models for us all. Thanks for the poll.

My ballot, but first some earlier comments interspersed with my responses since I missed the first day's countdown:

#48 ("Spare..." and #49 ("Keep On Going")are fine songs, but they feel a little slight in comparison with most of the others on the list so far...
― Clarke B., Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:49 PM

Don't find "Spare Me a Little" to be lightweight at all. My highest-rated Christine song, just love the lyric "now I know how the sun must feel every time it shines" and the effortless way she navigates an octave-and-a-half vocal range. As for "Keep On Going", just one word: DISCO ! (and five years before other big rock bands briefly dabbled in the style)

"Warm Ways" sounds exactly like the scenario therein: two lovers spooning after their first fuck.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36

I may have put it more delicately, but yes there's a reason it was a mainstay of my bedroom moodsetter mixtapes for many years

what I love most about the eponymous album is how the songs have an audible joy -- a bunch of people realizing that not only do they like each other, but they make SHIT HOT music together. That's how "Monday Morning" sounds; it LEAPS off the turntable.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2012 22:35

I also like how the lyrics presage the impending Buck/Nicks breakup, even as he tries to convince himself it's all good as things are.

Good image choice (for "Don't Stop"). I'm pretty sure it's Bill Clinton who ruined it for me.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:40 PM

Bill Clinton also ruined saxophones for me for several years....

Anyway, here's my ballot.

1. Landslide
2. Silver Springs
3. Spare Me a Little of Your Love
4. Sentimental Lady
5. Warm Ways
6. Gold Dust Woman
7. Think About Me
8. Black Magic Woman
9. Albatross
10. Oh Well
11. Hypnotized
12. Say You Love Me
13. Monday Morning
14. The Chain
15. Man of the World
16. Rhiannon
17. Dust
18. Songbird
19. Angel ('74 Welch song)
20. Future Games

The last two were in flux - I really should've voted for "Dragonfly", "Woman of 1000 Years", and "Show Me a Smile" instead but probably was just feeling bad for Bob's recent passing. Still those are fine, underrated songs. Also had forgotton how great "Crystal" is - I've never heard the original version. I have no idea why I ranked "Man of the World" and "The Chain" so low - they deserved much better. Saddened nothing from Say You Will or Kiln House made it. I didn't think "Dust" would place, much less garner two #1s!

my album picks:

1. Rumours
2. Fleetwood Mac ('75)
3. Bare Trees
4. Mystery to Me
5. Future Games

If anything, the poll results should put to rest any lingering notions that the transitional Mac lineups (post-Green, pre-Buckingham/Nicks) weren't up to snuff.

It needs to be stressed for the blues-averse that Peter Green is an uncommonly expressively blues guitarist, and to my ears does the white British blues thing better than all his peers.

Guitar nerds may be interested to hear that part of his trademark sound was intentionally wiring his pick-ups out of phase. Also, the BBC doc "Man of the World" is must-see.

Here we are, the newly calculated complete tally...

60th through 41st place in the NEW and CORRECT ranking:

#60: "Never Make Me Cry" - 73 points, 3 votes (not in initial rollout)
#59: "Oh Diane" - 75 points, 3 votes (not in initial rollout)
#58: "Sisters of the Moon" - 76 points, 4 votes (#55 in initial rollout)
#57: "Sands of Time" - 79 points, 4 votes (#60 in initial rollout)
#56: "Blue Letter" - 81 points, 5 votes (#58 in initial rollout)
#55: "Rattlesnake Shake" - 85 points, 4 votes, 1 number one vote (not in initial rollout)
#54: "Show Me a Smile" - 87 points, 3 votes, 1 number one vote (#52 in initial rollout)
#53: "I'm So Afraid" - 90 points, 4 votes (#52 in initial rollout)
#52: "Keep On Going" - 96 points, 4 votes (#49 in initial rollout)
#51: "Seven Wonders" - 99 points, 5 votes (#54 in initial rollout)
#50: "Spare Me a Little of Your Love" - 102 points, 4 votes (#48 in initial rollout)
#49: "Warm Ways" - 106 points, 4 votes (#57 in initial rollout)
#48: "Not That Funny" - 109 points, 6 votes (#51 in initial rollout)
#47: "Crystal" - 117 points, 6 votes (#42 in initial rollout)
#46: "Sentimental Lady" - 123 points, 5 votes (#41 in initial rollout)
#45: "I Don’t Want to Know" - 124 points, 6 votes (#40 in initial rollout)
#44: "Woman of 1000 Years" - 131 points, 7 votes (same ranking)
#43: "Book of Love" - 133 points, 6 votes (#46 in initial rollout)
#42: "Monday Morning" - 134 points, 6 votes (#47 in initial rollout)
#41: "Don't Stop" - 141 points, 7 votes (#45 in initial rollout)

And the casualties of the revision were the following three songs, which slipped just out of the top 60:

"Dragonfly" (was #59)
"That's Enough for Me" (was #56)
"Coming Your Way" (was #55)

That last one hurt a little, as it was on my ballot. ;-)

I'm kind of glad they got rolled out anyway, since maybe some folks on here got to experience a little more Danny Kirwan than they would have...

Nah. Now I really wished I voted for "Dragonfly"

Not too much shaking going on here, but "Dust" did get bumped up five places into the top 40, "Man of the World" got bumped up five places to #31, and "Brown Eyes" got bumped up three places to #21...

40th through 21st place in the NEW and CORRECT ranking:

#40: "Honey Hi" - 143 points, 7 votes (#38 in initial rollout)
#39: "Never Forget" - 145 points, 8 votes (#37 in initial rollout)
#38: "Dust" - 150 points, 5 votes, 2 number one votes (#43 in initial rollout)
#37: "Songbird" - 153 points, 9 votes (#39 in initial rollout)
#36: "Black Magic Woman" - 158 points, 8 votes (#35 in initial rollout)
#35: "Beautiful Child" - 161 points, 8 votes (#34 in initial rollout)
#34: "The Green Manalishi" - 168 points, 7 votes, 1 number one vote (#33 in initial rollout)
#33: "I Know I'm Not Wrong" - 185 points, 8 votes, 1 number one vote (#31 in initial rollout)
#32: "Future Games" - 193 points, 9 votes (same ranking)
#31: "Man of the World" - 193 points, 9 votes (#36 in initial rollout)
#30: "Over My Head" - 217 points, 11 votes (same ranking)
#29: "That's All for Everyone" - 231 points, 11 votes, 1 number one vote (#28 in initial rollout)
#28: "Big Love" - 243 points, 12 votes (#29 in initial rollout)
#27: "Never Going Back Again" - 243 points, 10 votes, 1 number one vote (same ranking)
#26: "What Makes You Think You're the One" - 273 points, 12 votes (same ranking)
#25: "Storms" - 276 points, 15 votes (same ranking)
#24: "Think About Me" - 291 points, 12 votes, 1 number one vote (#22 in initial ranking)
#23: "The Ledge" - 293 points, 14 votes, 1 number one vote (same ranking)
#22: "Say You Love Me" - 320 points, 15 votes (#21 in initial rollout)
#21: "Brown Eyes" - 328 points, 15 votes (#24 in initial rollout)

As I mentioned, the corrected top 20 is exactly the same set of songs, just with a little juggling of placements--most notably near the top, where "Hold Me" replaced "You Make Loving Fun" with the #5 spot, knocking it down to #7. "Little Lies" got a huge bump from #20 to #13. Also, the revisions revealed that actually ONLY NINE POINTS separated "Go Your Own Way" and "Dreams" at the #2 and #1 positions (with a 65-point gulf between "Go Your Own Way" and "Rhiannon"). Interestingly, although the winner "Dreams" garnered the most number of votes in the poll (29), "Sara" actually got the most number one votes (6).

20th through 1st place in the NEW and CORRECT ranking:

#20: "Over and Over" - 342 points, 15 votes, 1 number one vote (#17 in initial rollout)
#19: "Hypnotized" - 344 points, 14 votes (#16 in initial rollout)
#18: "Everywhere" - 350 points, 15 votes, 1 number one vote (#19 in initial rollout)
#17: "Walk a Thin Line" - 355 points, 15 votes (#13 in initial rollout)
#16: "Second Hand News" - 358 points, 17 votes, 1 number one vote (#18 in initial rollout)
#15: "Gold Dust Woman" - 360 points, 17 votes (same ranking)
#14: "Silver Springs" - 371 points, 16 votes (same ranking)
#13: "Little Lies" - 383 points, 17 votes, 1 number one vote (#20 in initial rollout)
#12: "Landslide" - 389 points, 17 votes, 1 number one vote (#11 in initial rollout)
#11: "Oh Well" - 397 points, 16 votes, 2 number one votes (#12 in initial rollout)
#10: "Albatross" - 451 points, 19 votes, 1 number one vote (same ranking)
#9: "Gypsy" - 489 points, 20 votes, 1 number one vote (same ranking)
#8: "Tusk" - 513 points, 23 votes, 2 number one votes (same ranking)
#7: "You Make Loving Fun" - 548 points, 23 votes (#5 in initial rollout)
#6: "The Chain" - 574 points, 23 votes, 2 number one votes (same ranking)
#5: "Hold Me" - 589 points, 23 votes, 2 number one votes (#7 in initial rollout)
#4: "Sara" - 648 points, 22 votes, 6 number one votes (same ranking)
#3: "Rhiannon" - 658 points, 27 votes, 1 number one vote (same ranking)
#2: "Go Your Own Way" - 723 points, 28 votes, 2 number one votes (same ranking)
#1: "Dreams" - 732 points, 29 votes, 4 number one votes (same ranking)

Thank you guys so much for the kind words and the participation, too. It was a blast to run it, and I hope to do it again someday...

Thanks for doing the revisions. That happened to me on the Led Zeppelin voting -- I think I accidentally left out rogermexico's ballot -- and did changes on the fly. Stress city!

Thanks a million Clarke, this was great.

And I bet that no poll has ever run without an error - certainly I've done three, had to correct two, and the third I didn't look too closely. Best to think of them like Persian rugs.

Ditto. I initially under-counted points on one Neil ballot (Tyler's, ironically enough), then had to go song-by-song/ballot-by-ballot twice for the top 90 or so songs trying to track down five missing votes (a discrepancy between the spreadsheet and individual ballots). Never did find them. To avoid going insane, I let it go. (All of this happened before I started the countdown, which helped.)

OK. I'm just going to assume those five votes would have put "Save Me a Place" in the top ten.

yeah thanks clarke, great poll (despite sara being robbed).

Second Hand News
Rhiannon
Sara
The Chain
What Makes You Think You're The One
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop
Walk A Thin Line
Say You Love Me
Caroline
Dreams
Landslide
Tango In The Night
Gypsy
Tusk
You Make Loving Fun
Not That Funny
Hold Me
Storms
Gold Dust Woman

This poll got me going through a bunch of live shows, and there's this interesting period right after Buckingham/Nicks join where the band is half in the past and half in the future. In particular, this King Biscuit thing where they open with Station Man and close with Hypnotized, but then Rhiannon is in the middle, etc. It's on Wolfgang's Vault. A very odd listen...

So Kiln House was one of the records I had not heard before this poll and did not have a chance to listen to before voting but man "Jewel Eyed Judy" is really something. Wish I voted for it/surprised pretty much no one else did.

Did anyone do a Spotify playlist yet?

As I discovered when preparing my ballot most of the Welch and Kirwan albums are missing from Spotify.

This was really really great Clarke; thanks so much.

Sara
Dreams
Silver Springs
Hold Me
Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Oh Well
Landslide
Walk a Thin Line
Future Games
Brown Eyes
I'm So Afraid
Woman of 1000 Years
That's All for Everyone
Never Make Me Cry
Gold Dust Woman
Albatross
Go Your Own Way
The Chain
The Ledge

Clarke, so pro of you to do this revision. It's a blessing in disguise, AFAIC, because it just prolongs the life of this thread. Thanks again for your work.

Sincerely my pleasure, and thank you! If you ever stumble across this record, pick it up--Jeremy Spencer's solo record after he disappeared during the Kiln House tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVOziAQmgg

> So Kiln House was one of the records I had not heard before this poll and did not have a chance to listen to before voting but man "Jewel Eyed Judy" is really something. Wish I voted for it/surprised pretty much no one else did.

"Jewel Eyed Judy" was the Kiln House track I most strongly considered. I like the verses much better than the chorus which to my ears doesn't fit the song well which is why it didn't make my ballot.

> This poll got me going through a bunch of live shows, and there's this interesting period right after Buckingham/Nicks join where the band is half in the past and half in the future. In particular, this King Biscuit thing where they open with Station Man and close with Hypnotized, but then Rhiannon is in the middle, etc. It's on Wolfgang's Vault. A very odd listen...

Not to mention live shows like this, which combine ppl who were never in the band at the same time, like this show with Welch, Nicks, and Fleetwood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX_N2WxFDC0

Same song a few years later still with Stevie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSlx4CAAMCw

I'd never seen those! Good stuff. BTW is that Stevie's shortest skirt ever? (in the second clip)

I'm can't listen to half of the top ten with fresh ears. So much overplay and baggage with some of these songs.

Asking me if "Don't Stop" is a good song is like asking me if I like the taste of water. At this point it's like "I don't know. It just is what it is."

I think the lesson of this poll is, if you have a good rhythm section, name your band after it and see what happens.

The Farndon Chambers might have had a better fate.

the roland moogs is a p good name

Condorito are you actually Chilean?

My nickname in school growing up in Santiago was Huevoduro (or simply "Huevo", especially when playing futbol).

ha no, just a connoisseur of comics

PLOP!

nice recondite reference!

water kicks ass tho

I think the lesson of this poll is, if you have a good rhythm section, name your band after it and see what happens.

The story goes that Green named the band Fleetwood Mac because he always planned to leave the band and pass it on to Mick and John.

i think it was a joke: "peter green's fleetwood mac featuring jeremy spencer"--you've got every member of the in the name right there.

of the band

What a difference some Bucky studio finesse makes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh4CKzmsnVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxdJLw9C830&feature=related

Another one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uWar8ggX_Q&feature=related

And here's Bucky, before the focus of the band is brought to bear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avoOcZZWigo&feature=relmfu

sounds fine to me, though maybe i'm hearing the full arrangement in my head.

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