itt WOLF HALL the book by hilary mantel and the upcoming hbo/bbc miniseries based on the same

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yeah i know

goole, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:33 (eight years ago) link

ahhhhhhh hahahahaha

max, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:37 (eight years ago) link

new one seem to be written in a somewhat simpler lighter mode, maybe to reflect cromwells ascension, or maybe by accident, or maybe im imagining it, anyway im gonna miss this guy when there are no more books left

lag∞n, Monday, 30 July 2012 16:35 (eight years ago) link

my only complaint is it wasnt nearly as long as wolf hall

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:45 (eight years ago) link

well maybe and the third one doesnt exist yet

lag∞n, Sunday, 5 August 2012 12:46 (eight years ago) link

i need a new book for traveling this weekend, is this it? is the writing really great?

40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 13 August 2012 19:42 (seven years ago) link

yes

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:07 (seven years ago) link

well maybe and the third one doesnt exist yet

haha when i finished 'bringing up the bodies' i immediately read the wikipedia summaries of any character i vaguely cared about

Lamp, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:17 (seven years ago) link

hah I have purposely not spolierized myself which is p lol for a historical novel

lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:19 (seven years ago) link

ok i'm about 1/4 through this and i'm all in.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 24 August 2012 15:19 (seven years ago) link

damn I really want to read this now

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 August 2012 15:40 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Remarkable profile. Unusually bold style for the New Yorker.

Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 09:03 (seven years ago) link

and another booker prize

--bob marley (lag∞n), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

I'm actually reading APoGS with a book on the french revolution in the other hand, to clarify as i go.
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:10 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

doing the same w/wolf hall & wikipedia

this book is brilliant

MVP ("most viking poster") 2012 (cozen), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:29 (seven years ago) link

paperback of sequel not due till april 2013 wtf /gettingaheadofmyself

MVP ("most viking poster") 2012 (cozen), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:30 (seven years ago) link

i've had this on my 'list:read/sublist:probably won't read' for a while but based on the enthusiasm here i'm gonna bump it up.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

is it historical fiction like the da vinci code or like the holocaust?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

its a prequel to the davinci code

--bob marley (lag∞n), Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:54 (seven years ago) link

Oh FINE, I'll read this. (Also bumping to top of list based mostly on max's enthusiasm if I'm being completely honest.) Usually I don't like historical fiction because it always ends badly, because no one ever writes about all the nameless people of history who DIDN'T make terrible personal choices and therefore didn't make a bad end in a dark alley (or a tower courtyard). But OKAY, JEEZ.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

can i read Bring Up The Bodies without reading Wolf Hall first?

nostormo, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:40 (seven years ago) link

you prob could, it does a bunch of recapping, but really its just the 2nd part of the same book, it picks up right where wolf hall left off and everything, recommend starting at the beginning

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:43 (seven years ago) link

but i understand that it's much better than Wold Hall and i don't have the patience to read 1000 pages now..

nostormo, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:47 (seven years ago) link

lol who said that, crazy talk

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:48 (seven years ago) link

i think maybe i liked wolf hall a lil better but really they are v v similar

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:49 (seven years ago) link

reviews..
xpost

thanks for the tip anyway..

nostormo, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:50 (seven years ago) link

from my vantage point of being halfway thru the first book after picking it up yesterday i would say that "better" is relative to the point of irrelevance. this is excellent.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:12 (seven years ago) link

James wood liked wolf hall better

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:58 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

im reading ' a place of greater safety ' now -- her french revolution one and

yall

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good

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

i dont want to read history anymore i just want to read hilary mantels historical novels. i want hilary mantel on the 30 yrs war

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

hilary mantel on the unification of italy

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

hilary mantels lenin

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:23 (seven years ago) link

Gotta read these books

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:23 (seven years ago) link

If someone wants to convince me what makes them so great in two sentences I might be inspired.

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:24 (seven years ago) link

i can't imagine that anyone who is interested at all by the premise would fail to enjoy the wolf hall books

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:33 (seven years ago) link

Too many years reading academic history books has made this kind of thing hard to get into, but I love the period.

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:35 (seven years ago) link

its a better written version of a massive fantasy epic except the people are all real and the only magic is mastery of political intrigues

future crimes (Lamp), Thursday, 31 January 2013 08:21 (seven years ago) link

Well done!

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:54 (seven years ago) link

lamp hardcore otm. i was hoping no one else had noticed. i have a developing idea for kind of ripping off the style of these books but applied to a different historical era and disguised in a more fantastical setting.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:07 (seven years ago) link

tom crom, space pirate

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:08 (seven years ago) link

not really but that might actually be better

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:09 (seven years ago) link

"better written" is of course u+k

ledge, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:53 (seven years ago) link

lamp super otm

Wolf Hall rly rly reminded me of Dorothy Dunnet's Niccolo series (which is just historical fiction, no dragons or w/e), like i knew WH was more ~literary~ and shit and the Niccolo books happen like a century earlier, but the scenes in my mind all had a really similar feel to them.

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:17 (seven years ago) link

to which end i prefer A Place Of Greater Safety because Camille Desmoulins

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:18 (seven years ago) link

so dreamy

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:18 (seven years ago) link

um i mean because it feels more distinct, more its own book and its own world.

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:19 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/hilary-mantel/royal-bodies

i read this earlier this week and was really blown away, its maybe a little ott here and there but altogether a really wonderful essay/lecture whatever

anyway i was... interested to see this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280780/Kate-Middleton-plastic-princess-designed-breed-Author-Hilary-Mantel-attacks-Duchess-Cambridge.html

this morning. linked to by matt drudge of all people

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:38 (seven years ago) link

You'll want the daily mail thread

lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:39 (seven years ago) link

i'll say this here rather than on the daily mail thread but this is an amazing piece of writing

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:53 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Man, I can't believe I waited so long to read these. I just started Bring up the Bodies. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what makes them so amazing and I can't, really. I just never want to stop reading them.

franny glass, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:02 (seven years ago) link

and so much ringing the changes on the same organising metaphors: mirrors; lights; books; cats--perhaps Mantel is playing the same kind of game as Javier Marias or, on a very different level, Karl Ove Knausgaard. Or perhaps it's just lazy! I'm honestly not sure.

When the light goes out, so to speak, it's heartbreaking, particularly in the light of the last epigram attached to the text, and the bit of Wyatt serving as an alternative to it, in the last couple of pages.

Anyway. Here's some books and a mirror:

Her visit marks her place in the book of his life -- a book which falls back into loose leaves. Printers can read as if through a mirror. It is their trade. Their fingers are nimble and their eye keen. But examine any book and you will see that some characters are upside down, some transposed.

Later, Cromwell is looking at a history in which the dates for events before Christ's birth are printed, deliberately, upside-down.

And somewhat later, but before everything collapses:

Can you make a new England? You can write a new story. You can write new texts and destroy the old ones, set the torn leaves of Duns Scotus sailing about the quadrangles, and place the gospels in every church. You can write on England, but what was written before keeps showing through, inscribed on the rocks and carried on floodwater, surfacing from the deep cold wells. It's not just the saints and martyrs who claim the country, it's those who came before them: the dwarves dug into ditches, the sprites who sing on the breeze, the demons bricked into culverts and buried under bridges; the bones under your floor. You cannot tax them or count them. They have lasted ten thousand years and ten thousand before that. They are not easily dispossessed by farmers with fresh leases and law clerks who adduce proof of title. They bubble out of the ground, wear away the shoreline, sow weeds among the crops and erode the workings of mines.

And later:

The king wonders aloud, what shall we do when knights of the Garter are found to be traitors--men like Nicholas Carew? Certainly their names should be stricken from the volumes that contain the history of the order. But will that not mar the beauty of the pages?

The decision is that the disgraced name should remain. But the words 'VAH! PRODITUR' should be written in the margin, so the man is branded for ever.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 10 April 2020 08:04 (three months ago) link

The end very much wrecked me, too - proper heaving sobs. I'm a sentimental fucker and these are tough times but still.

Agreed on the metaphors. I feel like I'm missing something with the cat in the tree and the leopard.

Also, give me five minutes in a room with Gardiner. Just five.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 10 April 2020 09:00 (three months ago) link

i tried to watch the series and i couldn't get over my immediate conception that the director had 'the thick of it' in the back of their head throughout

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 11 April 2020 00:37 (three months ago) link


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