Crass: C or D?

(By the way, re the Clash, I don't think any wealthy bastard deserves a medal for 'fund-raising and charities')

an unnecessarily meanspirited aside serving no purpose as far as I can see - the notion that nobody should commend anybody for doing charity work because after all, they're rich, they should do lots of fundraising: how petty and small. people who get rich tend to realize quickly they're not obligated to do jack shit; putting in a day's work for no pay in order to help others is a nice thing to do; upbraiding somebody for giving props to a guy who does some charity work seems pretty sad to me

have you noticed that i'm STILL waiting for that radio station that joe strummer said he was gonna start?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVCneVSvIM

aero otm. sneering at the charitable actions of others is nagl. even if they have committed sins of wealth-having.

Even if they did nothing other than play on Honey Bane's "Girl on the Run," classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7sPZvLRTFI

I was listening in on a phone call between Penny Rimbaud and a band who'd released something which was kept in print for years

― crustaceanrebel, Monday, July 23, 2012 1:51 AM

no u weren't

good for penny. fuck those crybaby assholes.

OTM. Whiny, entitled pricks. Crass's never said "Pay No More Than Zero".

no u weren't

― am0n, Monday, July 23, 2012 2:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink'

Well, yes I was. Still have Penny's number, in fact!

As far as the Clash goes - I worked with several of them - it's not widely known what catastrophic financial position most of them were in for years after the break-up. Joe really didn't see more than enough to survive on a basic level until the mid-90s, when the band's massive debts to their label (you didn't get low-priced albums like "London Calling" and "Sandinista!" without the band taking reduced royalties) and other parties were paid off. Even at the height of the band's popularity, he couldn't get a loan to buy a decent flat. He makes more money now than he did while he was alive. Topper was reduced to terrible financial circumstances (and not because of heroin, doubters) for years. Yet still, all these guys were generous with their time, energy and talent. And that may not seem like a lot, but that's because quite a lot of what they did they never announced and often refused to publicize. Mick, who's probably the most well-off in the band, being (roughly) 50% of the songwriting team, with post-Clash success and an incredible work ethic, still isn't as rich as you think.

You'd be surprised how little many "wealthy bastards" in punk actually make. Or made. Captain Sensible and Dave Vanian, members of the Damned from the beginning (for the most part), have incomes most people would consider very low middle-class, despite many hits in the UK and strong catalog sales of their 35 years worth of recordings. Guys like John McGeogh, who played with Magazine, Visage, Public Image Lts and the Banshees and had hits with most of them, barely scraped by. I could tell similar stories about loads of people from that era whom many would think would be wealthy. They rarely are very comfortable. But few of them act as ungenerously as Penny and various Crass members.

http://www.ni-dieu-ni-maitre.com/ngnmbanner.gif

sneering at the charitable actions of others is nagl.

Probably not but I'm somewhat embittered having worked in the charity sector for a long time (thankfully no more, fuck that shit) which was largely reliant on City of London types for fundraising, y'know those guys who've fucked up the world economy and earn more in a week than you earn in a year and pay less tax than the people who clean their offices? Still they some give crumbs off their table to some poor people (but only if they live a LONG way away from them), so well done chaps. But, yr right, it was a stupid spiteful stab at the Clash, who all seem(ed) like good blokes. Apologies.

Cheerfully accepted, thanks Tom D.!

You'd be surprised how little many "wealthy bastards" in punk actually make.

Has anyone actually made serious money from punk other than Brett Gurewitz and Green Day?

ian mackaye? or fugazi probably. or whoever owns dischord with ian. they sell a lot of records and those guys get to keep all the money. though i guess they aren't "punk". they came from it though. maybe not serious serious though. they like to keep things cheap.

During the summer of 1990 MacKaye formed the corporation Lunar Atrocities Ltd in order to shield his own and his band mates' personal assets from the threat of lawsuits. As Mr. Seth Martin, MacKaye’s financial advisor explained to the Washington Post in a 1993 interview: "protection from liability is the main reason to form a corporation, and for these guys it makes sense. If someone got hurt stage-diving and decided to sue, it would be a little harder to go after their personal assets.”

how many fugazi albums you think they've sold? millions probably. i would hope that they had some money!

you would think you could get rich just selling hatebreed t-shirts, but i've come to the conclusion that nobody in music is rich except for elton john. and rod stewart. and the rolling stones. that's it. and the 2 beatles. that's really it though.

and lionel ritchie. and mariah carey.

but that's really it.

Does Urban Outfitters owe them a living

they want HOW MUCH for that thing

Yes but remember!

Crazy awesome vintage moto leather jacket from the 1990s. Topped with hand-painted punk logos at like Sex Pistols and Crass. Excellent vintage condition. We only have one, so get it or regret it!

It's MARKET FORCES you see.

pinched it and put it on this thread too cheers ned!
Post pics of the best/worst Battle Jackets and ILM will mark them out of 10

"Read Reviews (1)"

Can't read it on this.

Warning(September 23, 2013)
"Cons: I guess I didn't notice it at first but this jacket says A*S*S* on it really huge on the back.
All the kids at school made fun of me.
Pros: Warm, waterproof (kinda).

Proper Punk(September 23, 2013)
"Represents true punk spirit. Well worth the money to be part of the proud history of people like Johnny Vicious

am impressed at the very neat handwriting(September 23, 2013)
"The jacket is so neat. I bet the person who made it was an A+ student. The perfect handwriting on this garment has really helped me to get in touch with my punk side. Rebel! Be neat! Smash the system!

Plastic PUNX(September 23, 2013)
"This is the ideal leather for every plastic punk that knows nothing about punk and at an amazing price!

Well worth the money...(September 23, 2013)
"NEVER has anarchy been so easy to buy, or easy to sell in such a convenient, white-washed form! I bought three, and bought one for my dad for christmas, even though he'll never understand me...

RIP Crass logo designer David King
https://www.kqed.org/arts/13868611/david-king-san-francisco-artist-who-designed-iconic-crass-emblem-dies-at-71

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS-mzQl2Ra0

Awesome.

anybody picked up those reissued CDs? I'm curious about the sound and the liner notes. They're a little, uh, pricey for what I associate w/this band.

― sleeve, Monday, October 24, 2011 1:32 PM (eight years ago)

Crass are/were classic, but these CD reissues are terrible (and remixed). Avoid.

Yep. This guy knows what he's talking about

One of them i think it's the feeding of the 5000 reissue has some demo tracks which aren't officially available elsewhere in studio versions, so if you're a conpletist, the Heartwork of the Mortuary is a good song, but other than that I'd avoid them

It is that one and it's Heartbeat not Heartwork obviously although I swear I've seen it listed as the latter somewhere time. Anyway the pre-Feeding demos are the only songs worth hearing

It's "Heart-throb of the Mortuary" ffs!

(It's about Tony Blackburn). I enjoyed Penny Rimbaud's explanation that the hippie-producer bloke liked reverb so doused the tracks in plenty, and that the songs ended up sounding like "Donegan on Mogadon"

I liked the "remix" versions, so hey.

It's called Heartbeat on the Feeding of the 5000 reissue. Heart-throb on Well Forked But Not Dead

xp you fucking would, wouldn't you, tin-ears? so how much did you get for the old ones on eBay?

I believe there was a certain amount of re-titling of the remasters for a "laff", Steve definitely sings "Heartthrob" anyway.

I didn't sell the old ones - I did sell the new ones though. Still waiting for the new release of "Best Before" with the extra disc - I think it's delayed until next year.

https://mailchi.mp/5613f3658ef2/feeding-of-the-five-thousand

FEEDING OF THE FIVE THOUSAND

- here's the loaves and fishes - make a meal of it – mincepies optional -

As a special seasonal gift, we are making available as a free download the original track stems of Crass' seminal album, 'The Feeding of the Five Thousand', separated to the premix state of the original sixteen track recording; naked, raw and uncooked. Yours for the taking, yours for the making.*

First released in 1978, 'The Feeding of the Five Thousand' pre-empted rap and grime in its hard on the beat, fast fire, uncompromising lyrics. Now's your chance to download the original tracks, do the remix of your dreams and tell it as it is; the message is DIY like it never was before.

Having made your mixes, you are encouraged to send files to us at Crass Records where we will select the most suitable for a 12" vinyl pressing with the current working title of 'More Tea, Vicar?'. All profits will be donated to charities of choice. You do it, we'll stew it.

GET MIXING, AND DON'T FORGET TO MAKE YOUR WISH.

AND A VERY MERRY CRASSMAS TO Y'ALL.

Download stems: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0r0drirt7utf58r/AADYUWf5f3tSns0n7HdQ2z3Wa?dl=0

anyone who is anti religion has got to be good.who cares what the music is like. anti religion is the only way for humans to evolve.
― del a robbo, Saturday, May 4, 2002 8:00 PM bookmarkflaglink

just realized I'd never heard Stations of the Crass, just Feeding and Christ: The Album.

enjoying this on first listen.

it's so good

Penis Envy is still my fave though

acquired that one too. it's really catchy! I enjoy that it's just the female vocalists too.

the first time I heard "Asylum" spoken word intro to Feeding, I practically screamed in excitement. "Jesus died for his own sins, not mine!"

<3

Seminal Punk Artists CRASS to Release Crassical Collection Featuring Collectible Editions of Classic Albums via One Little Independent

All Crassical Collection Releases to Include Remastered Audio, Rare Tracks, New Art and Comprehensive Liner Notes

One Little Independent Records has revealed details on the Crassical Collection, a collection of seminal avant-punk collective CRASS’ legendary albums, restored from the original analogue studio tapes.

Set for release in North America on October 30, the Crassical Collection includes Stations of the Crass (1979), Feeding of the Five Thousand (The Second Sitting) (1981), Penis Envy (1981), Christ – The Album (1982), Yes Sir, I Will (1983), Ten Notes on a Summer’s Day (1986) and Best Before 1984 (1986). Each of the records have been repackaged and bolstered by rare and unreleased tracks, and stunning new artwork from Gee Vaucher, who has lovingly created what could only be considered a true artifact.

The first six albums include two CDs, with the first disc being the main album remastered by Alex Gordon at Abbey Road Studios and the second being a mixture of rare live and remastered studio recordings. Each package also includes a fold-out poster and a high-quality 60-page booklet featuring all lyrics along with extensive liner notes from band members Penny Rimbaud and Steve Ignorant, which shed light on the making of the records.

The Best Before 1984 Crassical Collection is brand-new and has also been remastered and features five fold-out posters and a 52-page booklet.

Pre-orders for the seven releases are available now via Amazon.

CDs are $24? Gah!

those remasters are a travesty, see above

also, this is very confusing. these revamped "Crassical" versions have already been put out once by Southern?

I've had the 2cd "Best before" on order for a year or more, fortunately they are honouring all the previous orders at the old price.

Will let you know if the extras are worth it..

the band writes a guide to their albums on Bandcamp

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/crass-discography-list

I emailed OLI to find out when "Best before" was coming out. Ten minutes later, it arrived on my doorstep!

It's a similar package to the other "Crassical" cd's, two discs and booklet, plus copies of every foldy single sleeve, in miniature.

I've not played it yet, but I'd call it a bargain at the price I paid. Whether its worth £22 is up to youse, but.

This doesn't seem to have been mentioned here before. Click the "Crass Journal" link at the bottom of the page for an exhaustive 169-page chronicle of the disagreements between ex-members concerning the reissues. Essential reading for interested parties, I'd've thought.

http://www.crassicalcollection.com/