so basically no surprises, except this doozy: anne hathaway (who i don't like) not only doesn't suck but she actually steals the show!
she's no michelle pfeiffer ... but who is?
previews were a big letdown ... "neighborhood watch" looks pretty good, sad to see "total recall" looks more "i, robot" / "minority report" than "fifth element"
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, and also I hope JG-L sends his agent a very nice gift basket this Christmas.
Did you get the trailer for Affleck's next movie?
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
oh yes! that looks stellar! i have no joke *deep respect* for clooney as a human being and actor and i'm excited to see him move into production
that said i was shifted around really uncomfortably during that thing, i have bad memories of the hostage crisis
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
who is jg-l?
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, my family was stationed overseas in 1979 and my dad was in a unit that was likely to be deployed if shit got real. Until the trailer made clear what the movie was going to be, I was like, "Uh . . . this might be kind of a politically irresponsible movie right now?" But it looks cool!
Joseph Gordon-Leavitt.
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
xp
oh right, the cop. he was *awesome*
i've only seen him in inception but i'll be keeping an eye out for him in the future
i wish they'd used gordon more, but i feel like we have a pretty good read on his character anyway
i think this movie suffers mainly in comparison to the last two, no way anybody could really live up to that joker and the action scenes are just *okay* veering into *stupid* (i.e. flying batmobile dogfights straight out transformers movie)
there's no "mega moments" in this movie. the airplane hijacking was pretty flat compared to the bank robbery in tdk, the climbing-out-of-pit scene was a poor substitute for the part where they are gordon has to drive the joker cross-town w/ batman running interference. also there was no "trippy" part, which i think nolan is good at (thinking like inception dream sequences and/or the ninjitsu-on-shrooms bits from the first one)
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
i felt better about it when i saw it was clooney because he is v v sympathetic to the political views of our "enemies" in the middle east
i thought it was kinda crummy. its sort of a realization of the caricatured arguments people used against TDK - too long, too serious, too ponderous, etc. i thought the dark knight was fun and exciting! but this was a drag. so long and sloppy. nolan still can't shoot action... theres little suspense or tension, character motivations are often muddled or hidden... catwoman's the first thing that should've been cut
i was really expecting that they were building up to bruce taking a dunk in the lazarus pit to fix his fucked up knees and back, but they pussed out on that. they pussed out on ra's being immortal too, with that stupid-ass fade out to show that hes a hallucination. i thought TKD's tone was appropriate because it was a sprawling crime drama with a cape added, but this should've been pulpier
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
"total recall" looks more "i, robot" / "minority report" than "fifth element"
because PKD and Moebius have so much in common eh
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
there's some things to like about it though. bale was surprisingly good, he's usually really boring when he's in action movie mode. hardy's bane voice was a fun and silly little flourish that i liked a lot, but he also did some pretty intense acting with his eyes. i liked how the guys in the worst prison on earth are just like greek pensioners or something... making batman tea on a hot plate... ehh this prison...its not so bad
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
i thought it was funny when catwoman laid a smooch on bats before he went off to martyr himself for allah, because there was like no chemistry between them before then, and batman basically had a non-reaction where he yanked himself away from her kiss. nolanbot must've been going 'time for some of this "romance" ive been hearing about' but it was so unconvincing
***SPOILER***
the scene where batman's dragging the nuke out to the middle of the ocean seriously made me think of the part from the 60s batman where hes carrying a huge cartoon bomb over his head
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Hand it to Nolan, though, for actually, in 2012, going from "Bale and Cotillard kiss and embrace" to "cut to roaring fireplace."
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 20 July 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 July 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
― Black_vegeta (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 20 July 2012 20:50 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
SPOILERRRR(can we just make this thread all spoilers from now on)i really thought this bit was gonna be "no sweat i'll just go dump it on brooklyn". on which subject such a weird part of this was seeing New York on screen - thought it was both probably ballsy & super distressing to be shooting downtown manhattan w/smoke pouring out of it, collapsing bridges &c.
found this exciting, partly because of the alternately thunderous & ridiculous score, which with this being a concluding film you get to just have in overdrive, all the time, at the expense of conversation, even over just clerical scenes of morgan freeman talking to bruce wayne. the film wasn't as rhythmically strung together as the last couple, so it felt kinda sprawly, & like we were dipping in & out of threads rather than having to process a lot at once. & i thought nolan coulda listened to some of fitzgerald's advice about killing one's darlings. JLG picking up the bag was dope. the president is surely the least imaginative casting choice in the world, that guy is just forever a senator in something. batman in daylight was generally kinda strange. i have a long thing i can't be quite bothered to write right now about how well the joker clicks with nolan's non-comic-book-Batman universe, & how that dynamic's sorta ruined by a more storybook/less psychological villain - like the joker's character, his various limits and ideology, papers over a lot of the comics-in-the-real-world flaws in a way that a guy who you could just stab in the head doesn't. you know? he makes it metaphysical, & it being physical makes things ridiculous. bain's desire for revolution maybe could've been set up a lil better. MVPs: g oldman + marion cotillard.
but y'know this was fun etc. i wish nolan had stopped just after alfred's last glance, though; from a guy who ended his leo dicaprio movie the way he did i thought he might understand the value of not beating the audience over the head with confirmation of something hinted at.
― , Blogger (schlump), Friday, 20 July 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
LOL @ shakey moe, PKD fanboy
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
lemme guess, the piano was concealing an empathy box
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know maybe you thought the visual design for blade runner came from hr giger too
or you forgot the innovative fail that is every straight-faced pkd film
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
character motivations are often muddled or hidden
i would argue this is not true if you're partial to the "right" comic versions
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
here's another bit
a bunch of people said stuff about "ambiguous ending"
there's no fucking ambiguous ending, the ending was spelled out in 100 foot high letters called DARK KNIGHT FOREVER
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
this was pretty bad
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
and Bane's voice was ridiculous
i liked how the guys in the worst prison on earth are just like greek pensioners or something... making batman tea on a hot plate... ehh this prison...its not so bad
for real. Welcome...TO HELL. Cup of tea anyone?
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Anne Hathaway was even better than that time she was a parrot in Rio.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
no I just didn't get why you thought a movie should look like Fifth Element even tho it has nothing in common with Fifth Element or its source material
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
unless you think all sci-fi movies should look the same these days. oh wait they do
(albeit not like the 5th Element)
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
what would you compare total recall to?
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
a pile of shit?
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
― Number None
but don't you understand, bane already came back and killed all of the bad guys when he "extracted a terrible revenge"
he says it's the worst prison because it will offer him hope
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
it sure doesn't look like Moebius or Metal Hurlant
okey doke
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
i don't want to talk about something you don't know anything about shakey
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
but it looked the same in the flashbacks late great
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
like blade runner, the fifth element borrows a great deal from the airtight garage as well as other moebius & old MH stuff. the original total recall less so, though there's clearly some influence (very poorly articulated, i'd argue).
fwiw, i too was bummed by the boring minority report flatness of the future depicted in the new TR preview. i'd prefer something more colorfully exaggerated, perhaps along the lines of the fifth element.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
btw "something you don't know anything about" shakey is which moebius i'm talking about and what parts of total recall i'm talking about
number none did you miss the part where they gang-raped her mom to death and then dragged bane down into the basement, smoked bath salts and snacked on his face?
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but it was still quite pleasantly lit
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
see that's the part that gives you hope, the part that scares the bat
beyond the level of flat visual design there are similar images in moebius and total recall, like the expanding heads, skeleton-view gag, the brain bug in the nose
i think maybe shakey mo is taking the "everything is shit" position and i missed that
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh you tease
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
more lolz xp
just gonna put this Moebius Batman herehttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iatdgEyOf_Q/T1tgxTkg76I/AAAAAAAAfoY/tng0KNYTP4k/s1600/Batman+Moebius.jpg
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure there's a movie that ever nailed that side of moebius
^^ nolan in a nutshell!
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link
So Nolan won't direct another Batman film but WILL HE DO NIGHTWING?
A little disappointed by this, truth be told. Fun and exciting but nowhere near as good as the second one.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 20 July 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
superman preview looked lame
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
so bummed about that Superman movie
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 July 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
didn't even get a Superman trailer to complain about
― Number None, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
chillwave nostalgia superman
― the late great, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
Actually, you know what I did find encouraging about the Supes trailer? It looked nothing like a Zack Snyder movie.
― Simon H., Friday, 20 July 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link