You know, I'm not sure if its the same or not. That track never played on my copy of Earphoria for some reason, it would always skip from the day I bought it, so I'm not sure I ever heard the full thing.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 July 2012 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
Liner notes seem to indicate it's the same. Similarly "Slunk" is the Japanese TV performance from said collection as well. Kinda odd that those are thrown in as ringers, I agree.
Just listened to/ripped the cassette demo. Might be my copy but "Jennifer Ever" sounds kinda muddy as does "East" for halfway through, when it suddenly and clearly brightens up for the rest of the tape.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
That I couldn't confirm either because, as I learned last night, I no longer have a single way in my house to listen to cassettes. Ha. Still love that that was included though!
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 July 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
bummer there isn't more siamese dream outtake material, like cleaned up versions of some of those demos that leaked a few years ago. the heavier "set the ray to jerry" for example
In the absence of that
http://thepumpkins.net/music/647-music-quiet-and-other-songs
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 04:54 (eleven years ago) link
Meantime, as I just posted on the Frogs thread, here's their take on Pumpkins songs from a 1997 rehearsal:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL345D3F4CAFD406A5&feature=edit_ok
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
love that version of Rhinoceros
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 20 July 2012 05:52 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that version is great
― that one guy (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
(seventeen years ago)
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:32 (six years ago) link
is it still your fave?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 September 2017 04:56 (six years ago) link
yes
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnjegcYZVfs
Hadn't listened to that song in years and got goosebumps the whole way through. Thanks for the thread bump, Curtis. I'm gonna have to dive back into PI. Starla has my favorite Corgan guitar and Blew Away is maybe James' best song.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:34 (six years ago) link
Hello Kitty Kat is an awesome song, so brutal, & it came very close to being on Siamese Dream (in place of or after Quiet iirc). the promo cassettes of SD have Hello Kitty Kat on them, and it's a different mix than the one on PI.
record rules, still stunning what a prolific & consistently great songwriter Billy was in the Pumpkins' prime
― flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:35 (six years ago) link
xp yeah Blew Away is the only James song that I listen to (somewhat) regularly. The Boy is pretty cool too - here's a sick live version from a Starchildren show from June 1994. it's a lot faster than the one on TAFH: https://archive.org/details/tsp1994-06-18.shn/tsp1994-06-18t04.shn - also there's a pretty sweet cover of Cars. that's a cool show. early version of Here is No Why, too.
― flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
Neither classic or dud, but has some stunning must-hear moments on it.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 05:51 (six years ago) link
Damn, the outro to Obscured is so gorgeous.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:55 (six years ago) link
Ahhh, "Whir"....still gorgeous and the lyrics have meant different things to me as I've gotten older.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 22 September 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link
Yeah, 'Whir' is easily one of my favourites. That and 'Frail and Bedazzled' ...
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
speaking of which
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bcvnO-rvjA
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
Yep still the best one
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 24 September 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
Yeah, incredible how Billy was not only prolific, but kept hitting the mark with almost every song he wrote in the '90s. At some point the quality control went and he just became prolific.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 24 September 2017 05:29 (six years ago) link
even the songs he threw away were brilliant, "Methusela" being the best example.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 September 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JufC-dp5Sw
― flappy bird, Sunday, 14 April 2019 06:23 (five years ago) link
Cool album IMO
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, 14 April 2019 06:42 (five years ago) link
Browsing at Amoeba, I came across a sealed copy of the deluxe reissue (2CD / 1DVD) for $18.98, and bought it on a whim. Did I do good?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
It's worth the price for 'Frail and Bedazzled' and 'Starla' alone!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
Did it come with the demo cassette
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
The back cover does list "First ever SP demo reproduced on cassette" among the inclusions...
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
There's a lot of people in the hardcore that really like their very early work from the late '80s, the pre-Gish stuff. I can't really say I'm one of 'em. That early TV appearance where they play a lot of early material is still worth a watch, though, just as a comparison point between then and Gish.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
Although it's kinda sad to compare it to footage of the Arising! tour for a number of reasons. D'arcy's appearance being one of 'em.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
there are some fantastic riffs among the pre-Gish stuff but yeah not much in the way of good entire songs... I like “under your spell” and “there is goes” though. Were those both Marked tunes?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:26 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rr7th61VOk
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
'There It Goes' isn't too bad. I think the Oceania-era line-up did a one-off performance of that one just for a select couple of people, but I might be misremembering and it may be a completely different song. Look at how young and fresh-faced they all look in that 1988 video, though - even Jimmy - although he's very restrained on the early stuff. D'arcy looks cool (and cute) as hell.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
Fast forward 11 years later...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x20kajCVzTM
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:37 (four years ago) link
Opened it up, the tape is pretty cool-looking... wish I still had a cassette deck
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:02 (four years ago) link
none of them are Marked songs, those can be found elsewhere... I think when Billy started SP he threw everything he had away. I've listened to some of that Marked stuff, it's pretty bad. there are some good songs among the pre-Gish material. definitely There It Goes, She, Under Your Spell, Razor, I Am My End...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
Mashed Potatoes remains an extremely fun listen, imo
― brimstead, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link
oh, one of the best. "Cinder" is killer, I always wondered where that was recorded, why there's no other documentation of that song, and why an unrelated song was put out on the PI reissue called "Cinder Open" or something. only the Pumpkins would let something like that die as a almost never played live rarity.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:28 (four years ago) link
'Cinder' has a great riff, if I remember. That's the one where part of it ended up in 'Silverfuck', right? There's few bands out there that inspire me to hear not just all the officially released recorded work, but the bootlegs and outtakes etc., but the Pumpkins are definitely one of 'em.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:40 (four years ago) link
we’ve never seen the deeep live silverfucks 95-96 all laid out right? i saw (and recorded, and traded) a bunch of them back then and just a few months apart it changed so much, just whole new avenues into song, n ight-to-night variations on themes
― alomar lines, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 04:27 (four years ago) link
sounds wanky as shit but in person? powerful
― alomar lines, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 04:28 (four years ago) link
I’ve always had a love/hate relationship with this band, but the quality of their leftovers from the 90s is undeniable. I could do a POX just from b-sides.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 11 March 2022 06:56 (two years ago) link
I’ll expand on this thought tomorrow (maybe) but Gish and the bsides from both this album and “aeroplane…” contain in retrospective my favorite moments from them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 11 March 2022 07:07 (two years ago) link
Yes! I went down a Pumpkins rabbit-hole in the last week after Bang Bang You're Dead... POLL In Your Head - ILM Artist Poll #87 - SMASHING PUMPKINS - Results was revived. In the 1990s, I had signed off from the Pumpkins in the wake of their Siamese Dream ubiquity. Just too many views of the Disarm video on MTV. When I was schooling myself for the poll though, Pisces Iscariot was a huge discovery for me and is probably my favorite after SD.
― peace, man, Friday, 11 March 2022 12:42 (two years ago) link
I could listen to "Whir" forever. Such a mature, vulnerable song.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 11 March 2022 13:06 (two years ago) link
Yes to Whir! One of their best songs. That one and Obscured are probably my two favorite cuts from the era. I like Corgan a lot in acoustic guitar mode with James (or is it Billy himself?) in electric guitar complimenting calmly with that beautiful tone.
Absolutely love how the results from the SP poll ended out. A lot of songs I love in the higher ranks, not a big emphasis on their singles - which
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 11 March 2022 14:08 (two years ago) link
… I’m not a huge fan of except for a couple of them. The real juicy part of the pumpkin is not in their singles.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 11 March 2022 14:09 (two years ago) link
"Glynis," on Disc 2 of the deluxe ed., is such a cool song.
It's funny – and endearing, I guess – how the Pumpkins can be so corny/goofy/obvious, and then suddenly a song like that pops like...
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Monday, 22 August 2022 05:23 (one year ago) link
*up
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Monday, 22 August 2022 05:26 (one year ago) link
Ah, "Glynnis"...one of the little treasures housed on the No Alternative charity comp.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 August 2022 06:06 (one year ago) link