Old School - Nethack

you're hitting the same 'remember these two things from spoilers' bit that i always did (dipping a longsword, wishing for gray scale mail) so probably beyond any point where i can offer actual advice

My eyes are hazy and I read "ring of levitation" as "ring of television". Sounds like you've got lots of things to do before Gehennom?

i guess- i'm at the point in the game where i don't know what happens next, and far down enough where the general netbook advice doesn't really help. i've killed 2 liches + a mind flayer (elbereth + wands of striking/fire/lightning), and i've got a ton of resistances, tho i'm not positive which ones i'm missing. i'm putting my ascension kit together tho!

q: is the best use for my blank scrolls + magic markers making enchant armor scrolls?

Ohhhh you're doing Elbereth? Oh my god Nethack is the cruelest. Make sure you bless that magic marker iirc

elbereth is some straight up bullshit imo, one of the things i never liked about nethack was having 'cheats' built into the game like that which required spoilers

especially since you pretty much have to use them to have a chance

I'd forgotten about Elbereth that is straight up irritating but yeah I used it on my winning character too

i tried to resist using it until i learned about it in game somehow, but when facing off against a lich + mind slayer, having gotten farther along than ever before, i sac'd my principles on the altar of winning. i don't regret it.

and i'd love to bless my magic marker but i need to find an altar first so i can make some holy water!

you don't necessarily want to bless your magic marker because you wouldn't be able to write cursed scrolls (there are some benefits to them). best to keep it uncursed and bless/unbless blank scrolls as needed.

if you've hit a place where you can't spend your money anymore (no more shops), you should consider donating some to a temple. priests in temples look kindly on donations. there isn't much point in carrying it around after that, so stash it somewhere safe. it will weigh you down so that you can't carry other better stuff.

level 15 dwarven valkyrie - in the end i had a cloak of displacement, an amulet of reflection, the quest orb, a bag of holding, an excalibur +4, some boots of speed, a ton of wands, scrolls, etc. i had everything! (almost) but no ring of levitation. which meant that after i used wand of digging to skip medusa, that meant i couldn't backtrack from that point, and then i quickly hit the Castle - fell through a trap door - and died fending out a million crazy lichs, dragons, mind eaters, vampires, disenchanters, etc in Gehennom 1: level 27.

Resistances: Fire, cold, sleep, shock, poison, level-drain. I was warned, automatic searching, infravision, stealthy, regenerated, very fast, reflection, lucky, extra luck, and good luck did not time out for me.

I vanquished 1580 creatures. I used no wishes.

gg, taking a break for a few days.

my lesson from this: ring of levitation is essential

that ring is worth a wish.

trust me, if i had found a wish i would've used it on that ring!

ironically, isn't there a guaranteed wand of wishing in the castle if you hadn't fallen down the trapdoor?

...yes

i'll lick this thing yet!

i'll lick lich this thing yet!

Mordy I'm not going to broken-record this on the Nethack thread but please try ADOM for a moment it's unbearable to read about the unfairness and insanity of Nethack, this is the last time I'll say it I promise.

Yeah, adom is good.

i can't help but feel like moving on from nethack without beating it first is a huge copout, but i'll check out adom

drowned in a moat by a water eel

sorry i have still not played ATOM but i would like to say

NETHACK IS THE MOST ADDICTIVE GREATEST FUCKING GAME OF ALL TIME

that is all thx for ur time etc

i just got to level 11 in brogue before dying. gonna delete now, before life passes me by.

ring of slow digestion really changes the game -- suddenly you can backtrack all you want w/out fear of running out of food

hey soda that is probably way further than i got before i deleted. read some "i won!" accounts and you'll be glad you did, that game just gets harder and harder. pretty, tho!

yeah roguelikes are super-addictive, probably the most addictive. i'm playing skyrim an hour a day these days and it feels way addictive but it wouldn't keep me awake all night the way nethack/adom/moria has done

I always get killed by a swarm of monsters in the damn gnomish mines.

anybody have success running ADOM on osx/leopard?

i'm taking a brief break from this game, so if you guys could give some feedback that would be good. i've got a magic lamp that i haven't used yet. i also have 7 holy water bottles so i can bless the lamp and then use it for a wish. normally at this point i'd wish for a grey dragon mail for the magic resistance (i got an amulet from sokoben), however i didn't get a bag of holding in gnomish mines (2 oilskin bags instead, bleh) and i could really use one. should i wish for a bag of holding instead? i'm only around level 7 or 8 in the main dungeon so i guess it's possible i could find one on the way down? i could also find more wishes... i do have a ring of levitation (and boots of levitation - when it rains...) so if i could manage my encumbrance and make it down to the castle (big if maybe?) there's a wand of wishing there and i could grab the bag. hitting the castle w/out some dragon mail armor concerns me tho.

advice? opinions?

yay, you guys all showed up while i was typing this, so plz give out teh advice

@ soda, I played ADOM twice to completion on OSX Snow Leopard. It seems to be working fine. Don't play Jade, by the way, it still in alpha and isn't any fun anyway.

@ Mordy I forget the priority sequence of items in Nethack at this point but I'd say just get the mail.

The good news is that I barely need any food bc of slow digestion. I do worry about managing my encumbrance otherwise... I hate leaving potentially useful scrolls/potions/wands behind.

iirc "potentially useful" is useless, "obviously necessary" is what you're looking for

woo! so i actually cleared the castle w/out even using the one wish, grabbed the wand, conjured up some recharge scrolls, and wished the mail, the bag of holding, the gauntlets of power, and now trying to figure out what to use the rest on. i've got the amulet of reflection, an uncursed hawaiian shirt +2, the uncursed small shield +3 valykrie starts with, normal helmet, rings of levitation, conflict, slow digestion, free action, (a cursed ring of polymorph control - in case i want to do something with that, i know where there's a polymorph trap handy), an uncursed luckstone, Mjollnir (which I guess I can throw now bc of the gauntlets), a few unicorn horns, a magic lamp...

def open to suggestions from experienced ppl. i haven't gone down into gehennim yet. oh, also i've blessed genocided all liches and eels. some wishes i was considering (my wand is at 1:1, which i think means i have one wish from it left, so that, plus 80% chance of a wish from my magic lamp):

speed boots/jumping boots? (seems like a waste - tho i haven't found them yet, they're not super uncommon + i've already blasted myself with a wand of speed and have valkyrie speed adv so i think i may be covered here?)
uncursed magic marker for, i guess, enchant weapon and enchant armor scrolls (i actually have an uncursed magic marker already at 0:31, so this might be a mistake -- i think i can recharge it and i have two recharge scrolls left to use on it)
Cloak of magic resistance -- i don't actually have a good cloak yet, and i know this is a popular combo w/ the mail and reflection amulet

um - blessed tinning kit? i have some intrinsics (poison, acid, cold) but not all
cloak of displacement? i already have invisibility intrinsic somehow - not sure how i got it

It might be time to check to see if you have been fired from your job whilst not paying attention

psh. it's Friday night.

Why do you want a tinning kit? I never used them at all.

i guess they can help get more intrinsics? what do i want before i go down into gehennim?

Speed is very useful, I like speed boots, but if you're already very fast then I guess you don't need it.

I consider magic restistance an absolute - but you have gray dragon mail, right? So you already have it. Fire resistance is very nice too.

I like to get reflection via a shield and save the amulet spot for life-saving, personally.

A regeneration ring is always useful. A cloak of displacement is nice. I like to keep a couple scrolls of genocide around in case of emergencies.

I don't know the spoilers, so maybe this is something I've never known, but I don't get what a tinning kit does for you vs just eating all the corpses you find. I mean I guess if you're already satiated it can save a corpse you want to eat for later, but that's not that common a situation really.

intrinsics if you're satiated after killing like 3 dragons, tinning nurses for healing, to get rid of trolls... idk?

you eat nurses? boy i don't think i've ever even killed a nurse, i just let them bump my HP until they vanish.

Have you genocided all liches or just the normal ones?

Anyway, I think you're pretty much set.

i genocided all the liches, i think

Nethack's tinning kit is not considered a magical tool for purposes of polymorphing, but it is hard to say what kind of non-magical object(s) in the real world it is meant to correspond to. Home canning of meats is a fairly laborious process that involves cutting the meat into appropriate pieces, usually salting and partially cooking it, packing it into containers and then boiling the containers in a pressure cooker for over an hour. The pressure cooker is needed to raise the cooking temperature above 100 degrees C (212 degrees F), in order to eliminate dangerous microbes. This corresponds to the concept in NetHack of tinned food not rotting away. Home canning uses screw-top glass jars, but the NetHack tinning kit obviously uses tin cans, which further adds to the complexity, as the cans must be sealed. This is probably done by soldering the top onto the base, as was originally done with tin cans in our world. Canning guidelines from the United States Department of Agriculture are here. So, we can assume that the NetHack tinning kit includes the following:

A large number of tin cans.
Soldering supplies (presumably).
A knife or knives for preparing the meat.
A pressure canner.
Water.
A good heat source, such as a propane burner, and fuel.
Tongs, silicone gloves, or some other implements for handling the hot containers.
(Maybe) salt.
(Maybe) a frying pan, or some other implement for pre-cooking the meat.

The length of turn in NetHack is fairly abstract and flexible, and attempts to work this out will yield different results based on what kinds of activities (movement, combat, etc.) are used to calculate it. But, in light of the above, tinning a corpse is clearly one of the most action-packed turns a player will ever experience.

Although there are no special in-game penalties for doing so, some players consider it extremely poor form to kill this particular shopkeeper. The NetHack community itself is somewhat divided on this issue - in #nethack, hardly anybody cares; in RGRN, at least several vocal regulars will usually reprimand any transgressions; and the wiki itself sees a broad mix of editors' opinions. For extinctionist games, it is considered acceptable to leave Izchak alive.

I think this is really sweet.

Oh, I forgot - teleport control can be very useful with the Valkyrie artifact.

so i haven't played a ton since clearing the castle, but i did do a few things to get ready for gehennim. i have grabbed my quest orb (and the bell for the ceremony) and dumped my luckstone. i made a bunch of blessed enchant weapon scrolls, donated to priest, and brought my AC up to -36 (also enchanted my weapon to +5). i used my last wish on a greased, blessed, fireproof cloak of displacement +2. i found some jumping boots, i made a bunch of holy waters, found a tinning machine + blessed it (tinned a nurse!), dropped all the dead weight i had (any wands/scrolls/food/etc i don't plan to need - so goodbye boots of levitation that just replicate ring functionality), bought my 7 candles from Izchak for final ceremony, grabbed fire resistance intrinsic (i think i have them all now except disintegration - haven't seen any black dragons - and i'm not 100% sure about sleep/shock). um... that's all. i guess i'm ready to go.

mordy, i played this game for a few days and sucked and the farthest i've gotten is level 6 and about 6 levels down, and i still don't even know how to use a lamp. but i will tell you this.

you are doomed. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

You die from your illness.

FML. Didn't even know I was sick or I would've used my blessed unicorn horn.

Ok. Now I'm taking a long break. That was heartbreaking.

Apparently a Juiblex made me sick, but I missed the message. Sigh.