A World of Constant Strangers: The Neil Young Results Thread

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you say tentative and half-formed, i say youthful and experimental

da croupier, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

Not meant as an attack, SMC, there's just no comparison for me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

expecting to fly is barely a buffalo springfield song, too -- no one else from the band plays on it, and i think it was originally planned as a neil young solo single.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

i love that the period where neil hadn't yet found his sound was also the period where everyone was exploring the studio

da croupier, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

Catching up, sorry:

Had On The Beach at 22
Had Expecting to Fly at 46 (so I don't think it counted, as only my first 40 were registered for the poll...)
Had Ohio at 43 (ditto -- also, as mentioned upthread, I have been to Kent State a zillion times, walked on THAT hill, etc. Gives you CHILLS, seriously)
Had Rev Blues at 10

hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

my first exposure to "On The Beach" was a cover by the very underrated (and very NY-influenced) singer/songwriter Chris Lee, but i'm not a big fan of the song. perhaps a kneejerk reaction to the idea of the title track of a guy's first album released after becoming really famous featuring morose talk of radio interviews.

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

I love how unabashedly beautiful Expecting to Fly is - after Buffalo Springfield NY never really went full-tilt for gorgeous again. It's such a young man's song.

Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, "Expecting to Fly" wouldn't make my top 100, very dull half-realized track imo....and right above "Revolution Blues" makes it worse....

theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

I do feel that On the Beach's longtime unavailability plays a part in its present stature--if it had been Zuma you couldn't buy on CD instead, I wonder if the situation would be different.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

reading the rhapsodic descriptions of the song's production and it's "groundbreaking" construction in "Shakey" just made me wonder if I was listening to a different song

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

(re: Expecting to Fly)

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, much lower than I expected. As much as I love "After the Gold Rush," I always found the cheers when Neil sings "And I felt like gettin' high" on the (otherwise great) Live Rust version to be a stadium rock nadir.

― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:17 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ no way, you're thinking of the rasta jive blackface routine during Cortez

Never cared much for ohio or expecting to fly....ohio has a good riff

I honestly could have put about all of tonights the night on, but those were the three I had

albuquerques opening line is one of those classic neil lines that really affects me and I couldn't say why:

And they say
That Santa Fe
Is less than 90 miles away

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

http://phildellio.tripod.com/neil7.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

I dunno if I would say "This Note's For You" is better per se (I wouldn't put it in the top 10 Neil songs or anything) but it's certainly more fun to listen to than "Expecting to Fly", at least in my case

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

albuquerques opening line is one of those classic neil lines that really affects me and I couldn't say why:

And they say
That Santa Fe
Is less than 90 miles away

the legendary and mysterious land of Santa Fe... Neil should maybe look at a map sometime lol

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

but yeah I love it too, great song

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

He was fumbling around for his car keys when he wrote that.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not a big fan of the song. perhaps a kneejerk reaction to the idea of the title track of a guy's first album released after becoming really famous featuring morose talk of radio interviews.

The thing is, Neil was bitching about being famous BEFORE he was famous (See: Buffalo Springfield, "Out of My Mind")

Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

Which it's disappointing that neil doesn't do tell me went cuz he doesn't know what it's about, I consider that maybe the hallmark of his great songwriting, this weird ambiguity

It's when he's real literal - this notes for you - is when he sucks

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

I think I can "sing" every last guitar note in "Cowgirl."

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

so am I right in expecting that "Cowgirl" vs. "Down by The River" is pretty much a Veronica/Betty thing?......my girl lost!

theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

Jughead = "Last Trip to Tulsa"?

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

Btw I felt the title tracks to everybody knows kind of slipped by with out enough praise for being a to ten guitar rock song ever, far too low
Love cowgirl, but now prefer the fillmore vers of that & down by the river slightly

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think any great ”lost” reissue thing lived up to my expectations like fillmore

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

thx for reminding me to pull out that Fillmore record more often, that one is really good

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

yeah when i want to hear cowgirl, i go to the fillmore version. neil is so amazing there that he completely forgot how to play guitar like that for about five years.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

The original is so much a part of my DNA at this point, I don't think it'd be possible for me to prefer another version, but I have Fillmore, so I'll give it another listen.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah ever since getting the Fillmore disc I never play the album versions of the guitar epics - don't even know if I remember them that well! Do they have anything quite like Nitzsche's electric piano lurking at the bottom of the mix?

boxall, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

I'm hoping Veronica is next. Can't stand either of 'em personally, although I do like the Low & Dirty 3 cover of "River".

Jeff W, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think any great ”lost” reissue thing lived up to my expectations like fillmore OTM

boxall, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

The Cowgirl solo is a thing of rare and powerful beauty.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

Which it's disappointing that neil doesn't do tell me went cuz he doesn't know what it's about, I consider that maybe the hallmark of his great songwriting, this weird ambiguity

Last performance: 2011-05-11, Massey Hall, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

cwkiii, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

One of my big surprises researching covers was finding the Byrds' version of "Cowgirl."

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

Cowgirl was at 34 for me, while DBTR was at 32. Guess I'm a little burnt on both of them, but I will absolutely take a live version of either over the studio cuts.

hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

http://phildellio.tripod.com/neil6.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

the intro to studio "Cowgirl" works v v well for kicking off late-night college radio, though--live versions can't match it!

theStalePrince, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

TOO LOW!!!

Had this at, um, #6. :-)

hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

The "ma, send me money now" verse coming out of nowhere one of the greatest imaginative/intuitive leaps ever, I think.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

ha, i cut CG, because i figured it'd be high anyway. but what a great song/riff.
Byrds' version of "Cowgirl" is really nice!

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

"Cinnamon Girl" was my #1. I love the song, but it was also a nickname I gave to my wife two years before we started dating. That was 20 years ago. Damn.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

Much more poetic than if you'd gone with "Motorcycle Mama."

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

Ah, some of mine are placing now. The intro to Cowgirl is all-time - so ominous yet inevitable.

On The Beach was my no.1. My first exposure was in a documentary when bbc4 ran a Neil Young night. It had this soundtrack full of incredible tunes I didn't know, which turned out to mostly be OTB cuts, so its non-availability was a huge factor for me.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

Everyone familiar with the alternate "single" mix of CG? Anyone prefer it?

hutlock, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know about the mix, but I assume the single eliminates the coda? Or do AM deejays just end it earlier?

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, with whitten's vocals more prominent? it's aight.
here's another interesting alternate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyK00lIRxUo

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

I have the single. It's...innarresting. Loses the guitar erruption at the end. Overall, not as good as the album cut.

Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

"Cinnamon Girl" crossed with "Sea of Madness"...I like!

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

yeah it's kinda groovy.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

http://phildellio.tripod.com/neil5.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

On another borad I used to be on, someone had the handle "Cinnamon Girl". Everyone assumed she was a Neil fan, but she said she chose that moniker because she likes cinnamon and had never even heard of the Neil Young song until everyone asked her about it

Lee626, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link


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