quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

you know what soaks up vomit really well? a bukowski book. keep it in your shirt pocket just in case.

so, the romanticizing/fetishizing is a "might be" bad effect.

acktually doing that crap when other people are more dependent on you (professionally, your family) is a "probably will be" bad effect

not that i want to get all moralistic about drugs and sex tho. do your thing i guess.

which one, drugs or sex

gbx whatever "your thing" is i'm ok w/ it

i read that awl thing and i think dude do you have ANY idea how much people used to drink and drug in the good old days? parents. older parents. 40th birthday party at a karaoke bar woohoo you go girl! it used to be socially acceptable to be a complete drunk. everyone was drunk! all the time!

sounds so tiring

they had karaoke bars in the good old days?

this still holds in some segments of society ime

like I rode the train out west and the drunkest ppl in the area was a group of five 50yos getting lit. up. on whatever terrible booze they sold in the caf

ty goole

if she said all her galpals did meth and had pitbull fights in the basements of their co-ops i would raise an eyebrow.

plus people did serious drugs in the 50's and 60's. real deal speed and downers handed out like candy by doctors. housewives were flying. and drunk. and they all had ten kids.

I can't make an accurate comparison, but here's some pulled-out-of-my-ass messageboard theory: society during the 50s may not have been as complex as today (milestones neatly marked off, society tightly stratified, roles clearly defined) that even if you had parents fucked out of their minds 24/7, that you could probably just fall neatly into society even if you weren't all that OK inside.

Whereas these days things are so complex and shakey (US has highest rate of anxiety in the civilized world, according to my vague memory of half-reading an article) that the stakes are higher today for good parenting than yesterday.

scott OTM about intake tho

you could buy meth - PURE METH - at a fucking drugstore!

discreet meth

time was, you could kick a ball of pure meth down the street

i wondered if ilx had read that article, now i guess i know...

We read kind of slow.

too busy drunkenly hitting on 38-yo married Sluts

i would totally do cocaine if someone i knew offered me some. nobody ever offers me any! i need to start hanging out with different moms. i haven't done any since the 90's when my stripper girlfriend brought some home (she got some as a tip at work). i stayed up all night watching t.v. i was wild.

i'm pretty sure 75% of the parents i know smoke pot. sometimes i think just about everybody smokes pot. but that might be a regional thing.

okay maybe not 75%. i don't really know. western mass pretty big on pot though.

Oh man, I met a dude at a friend's party who was talking about bartending at a "social club" style thing in the middle of nowhere in the midwest. Like a dinner place or whatever. Little old ladies would come in to have dinner or just cocktails with their friends and it'd be the stiffest no-vermouth or just-a-splash martinis, vodka and ice, all kinds of hard drinking. I feel like the generation between, which my parents probably fall in, had leaned toward beer drinking and the newer cocktail renaissance is kind of a tip back the other way.

mancini's imo

tougher to get drunk on the new cocktail renaissance since the urban mixologist charges 12 bucks a pop

I guess that's where all the house parties come in

skot <3

My mom always talks about how all the housewives in her neighborhood when she grew up were drinking and/or popping pills, and her parents smoked pot, and some of the parents in the neighborhood even wife-swapped.

you could buy meth - PURE METH - at a fucking drugstore!

― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:13 AM (1 hour ago)

pedantic point, but meth is not the same as amphetamine

pedant alert:

in 1943, Abbott Laboratories requested FDA approval of methamphetamine for treatment of narcolepsy, mild depression, postencephalitic parkinsonism, chronic alcoholism, cerebral arteriosclerosis, and hay fever, which was granted in December 1944.

Sale of the massive postwar surplus of methamphetamine in Europe, North America, and Japan stimulated civilian demand.

In the 1950s, there was a rise in the legal prescription of methamphetamine to the American public. In the 1954 edition of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, indications for methamphetamine included "narcolepsy, postencephalitic parkinsonism, alcoholism, certain depressive states, and in the treatment of obesity." Methamphetamine constituted half of the amphetamine salts for the original formulation for the diet drug Obetrol which later became Adderall. Methamphetamine was also marketed for sinus inflammation or for non-medicinal purposes as "pep pills" or "bennies".

I like cats

Otm

Bold opinion.

i would totally do cocaine if someone i knew offered me some. nobody ever offers me any!

i know!

i love how in casablanca, which is admittedly largely set in a bar, ppl just order drinks and then go to a different table and order more and more, etc. before saying racist things about the piano player. but everybody's having such a good time!

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It's 2012, I think 1986 officially counts as "the good old days."

i was just talking about something she said in the awl thing anyway. that they go to 40th birthday parties at karaoke places and get drunk and this is supposed to be an example of regressive mom behaviour or something? didn't say they did this in the old days.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-cotter/struggling-yet-not-struggling_b_1661698.html

not nyt but surprised it hasn't been posted here yet

I just posted it in the gen limbo thread

cuz she ain't no ruling class

i guess i don't really get the regression part anyway cuz most of the 30-something and 40-something parents i know who go to bars or drink or party or whatever never really stopped drinking or going to bars/parties. maybe when they had infants they did. those little bastards can slow you down.

x-post

she's more ruling class than lena dunham, who now has to be mentioned in every single article by a female new yorker ever

"Now, two months after graduation, I seem to be one of just a handful of people that's been able to get themselves on their feet, pay their own bills and actually put together some semblance of an adult life with minimal parental assistance."

okay wait....

i should have bolded the "two months" part.

no she is a copy editor at studentadvisor.com, that site is prob not the next facebook

wait why is carrie bradshaw always referred to as carrie bradshaw but lena dunham is just lena dunham? doesn't she play a character with a different name? do people not understand that girls is not a docu

xp

and she lives in boston

there are some rich people in boston, but nobody who rules anyone

hannah something idr

wait is she complaining about having a good job and money? i'm so confused.

montana iirc xp

she's not even doing the normal complaint about good job + money aka bourgeois disenchantment

she's complaining that she hasn't suffered enough