rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

The Melvins def aren't shy with that stuff tho

http://www.popsike.eu/pix/20081202/150313668169.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jHNgZ.jpg

xp

oh Melvinspaws

this is the page you want for the SS totenkopf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf

one diff between Slayer's use of fascist iconography & Death In June's is that Slayer's interest probably ends at the water's edge, so to speak. Images that are associated with widespread death & cruelty & horrific human behavior are badass; they have the ability to elicit a reaction just by being there, and that reaction is one of fear & revulsion, and that's wicked. That is a sort of metal mindset. Death In June have an almost identical position backed up by a lot of intellectual foofaraw about symbols & iconography & the distance between artist & narrator, some of which has some pith to it but much of which ends up at "there is something totally wicked about fascist iconography"

imo

but most dudes who pretend the resonance they're copping from these symbols isn't largely or wholly due to the symbols having been adopted by the nazis, those dudes are posing. sure boyd, it's just that you find the swastika interesting, has nothing to do with hitler

"they're the good swastikas"

love you, melvins, but a giant fucking swastika ranks high among the things i do not want on my turntable

people finding something interesting/controversial in transgression? well, I never!

xpost picture discs sound like shit anyway

I have a couple of swastika cufflinks that I found in a theatre drawer. Don't think I would ever wear them, obv.

The distinction between a "Nazi band" and a "band that has consistently, unapologetically used Nazi themes in their artwork and lyrics because they think it's cool" is sufficiently small for me not to waste much time thinking about.

Not that i have ever bought the idea that's where Slayer's interest in the far-right ends.

when i was a young stoner, i had a picture of ron asheton in a nazi uniform on my wall -

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cEScrKlFg24/SWa9--f-4tI/AAAAAAAAALk/RYqQn4i33YM/s400/229715159_l.jpg

- yeah, that one, and an SS totenkopf sticker on my (homemade) bong. the asheton picture came from a copy of metallic K.O. and the sticker came from i dunno where. someone gave it to me, i think. i didn't even know what it meant. can only imagine what people thought...

The distinction between a "Nazi band" and a "band that has consistently, unapologetically used Nazi themes in their artwork and lyrics because they think it's cool" is sufficiently small for me not to waste much time thinking about.

― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah there's no difference between Quentin Tarantino and Leni Riefenstahl either

You don't think spending an entire career doing it puts them on the Riefenstahl end of the spectrum?

thoughts on lemmy?

i'd say that it's worth making a considered allowance for bands - like, say, laibach - who consistently and unapologetically use nazi themes in their artwork in order to make interesting art

Absolutely, but Laibach parody authoritarianism, they don't fetishise it.

"laibach and think of slovenia"
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lol

Detractors have accused Death in June of harboring neo-Nazi sympathies. Pearce has said, "At the start of the eighties, Tony and I were involved in radical left politics and beneath it history students. In search of a political view for the future we came across National Bolshevism which is closely connected with the Sturmabteilung hierarchy. People like Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm who were later known as 'second revolutionaries' attracted our attention."[11] The Sturmabteilung (Stormtroopers) were a paramilitary unit of the Nazi Party (NSDAP), and Strasser and Röhm were Nazi leaders who vyed for Adolf Hitler's power.

Protests have been staged and some performances have been cancelled due to these accusations.[12] Justification for the cancellations stem from strong aversions to the Nazi inspired symbolism of Death in June coupled with an interpretation of select lyrics as containing deliberate Third Reich-era imagery and tropes. When questioned about his interest in the Third Reich, Pearce responded:"I've an interest in all aspects of the Third Reich. It has had such a huge influence on the world, who could fail to be intrigued by it? However, I've still read more pages of Das Kapital than Mein Kampf!"[13]

lol, paging jonah goldberg

Nazis ruined swastikas for everybody too

You'll still find swastikas in Asia

Is there a thread where anybody's posting about how butthurt ppl got by Chris Rock's tweet on July 4th?

what did he say?

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/07/chris-rock-fires-up-controversy-with-fourth-of-july-tweet/

Chris Rock’s July Fourth tweet has some people in a decidedly un-celebratory mood. On Wednesday, the comedian tweeted, “Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren’t free but I’m sure they enjoyed fireworks.”

hahahahahahahaha

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/chris-rock-tweet.jpg%3Fw%3D420%26h%3D316
people being easily wound up there

I wonder when @chrisrock became so mean-spirited? Or has he always been and I’ve just not noticed. Color means NOTHING to me.”

chris rock otm

i mean, i know i enjoyed the fireworks

On what grounds are people taking offence? That seems like a pretty straight statement of fact.

I wonder when @chrisrock became so mean-spirited? Or has he always been and I’ve just not noticed. Color means NOTHING to me.”

who is the deeply stupid person who said this

xp: people are taking offense because they are racists, basically

we should just stop now this will only end in an explainer letting us know exactly when fireworks became synonymous with independence day

but say if you did want to see some more racist tweets i cant stop you from clicking on this link http://www.egotripland.com/chris-rock-4th-july-twitter

wouldve been a better joke imho if he just left it at 'happy white peoples independence day'

aren't you white

You'll still find swastikas in Asia

several religious groups straight up replaced the swastika with different symbols iirc (which makes it extremely annoying when dumb teenagers get it tattooed on themselves bc OPEN YOUR MIND MAN IT HAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING MAN)

teenagers all talk like 70s stoners imo

color means nothing to me xp

buddhism has def not abandoned the swastika

On what grounds are people taking offence?

When you see the pious, reverential way that Bachmann et al treat the 'founding fathers', largely as a way to 'prove' the providential nature of this republic, you'll understand that anything less than wholehaearted hagiographic treatment of the revoltionary period and its actors is 'hating America' regardless of the fact that the American Revolution was a disaster for Blacks and Indians and it certainly doesn't help that Jefferson's hugest blunder in the Declaration of Independence was accusing the Crown of:

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

But, nonetheless, God was guiding our deist forefather (who, incidentally defaced the New Testament).

@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.Still don’t.

what

I kind of respect Buddhists for not replacing the swastika. It's a calm way of saying that Hitler doesn't get to win.

@chrisrockEli Whitney invented the cotton gin so we didn’t need your lazy asses anymore.

Obv someone who dozed through his HS history class. If anything, the cotton gin made slavery more lucrative.

you dipshits have a whole month!

Are we sure some of those aren't just straight-up, adolescent wind-up trolling?

are we sure we need to repost these here?

I kind of respect Buddhists for not replacing the swastika. It's a calm way of saying that Hitler doesn't get to win.

― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, July 6, 2012 3:47 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hindus too

hitler, nazis, etc just didnt have as big an impact in asia and arent nearly the cultural touchstone they are in the west is a big part of it imho - but also ya these symbols arent something its considered that you just go changing all willy nilly

I can't quite bring myself to admire the Swastika Laundry of Ballsbridge, Dublin for not abandoning the name /logo until the 1980s though.

http://i.imgur.com/3AiyP.jpg

yeah I don't really want to read these (xposts)

can we just terminate every multicellular life form and start anew?

are we sure we need to repost these here?

Not at all, but I genuinely get confused sometimes when I read stupid shit on the net and wonder and it is the thread...