rolling 2012 UKG interzone bubblers thread

honestly i just dug up this frankie foncett cd on pure silk and also dj ez mix on warner strategic marketing and this mikee b / dj target / maxwell d ayia napa thing from 2001 and artful dodger and dj luck and mc neat (both volumes of both!) etc etc last night

it's a lot to take in and rough going, i'm just throwing names out based on some things i remembered and trying to remember the rest

Am I reading you right to the effect that you're just taking that era in now??

http://soundcloud.com/djfabion/fabian-ride-1

tim did you ever hear this? one of my absolute 10/10 favourite, totally freaky manifestations of the sparrowlike urges of nu-ukg

I mostly adore Fabion/Tremorefire (his "Boom Selection" remix is A+) and did rifle through his soundclouds a while back, will have to wait till I get home to check this though.

I think the real demarcation these days is less between abstract vs songful and more along production values lines.

This is where a distinction between say 1999 garage and 2001 garage really makes sense, the earlier stuff still retaining a kind of vinyl warmth and almost-"deepness" and the later stuff sounding like the contrast has been turned up - heavier but more plasticky beats, exaggerated bass but also exaggerated treble... a generalised air of hyperreality.

This (rather than pop vs abstraction or lightness vs heaviness) is probably the key point of distinction between "future garage" and the stuff that Q plays, only it's even more extreme now, future garage being "deep" to the point where it has to shun anything that might interfere with that, and the Q interzone retaining (albeit as a kind of reigning principle rather than a clearly defined sonic property) the sickly harshness of bassline.

hmmm good analysis

no no this is all stuff that i was buying as it came in (new imports, usually 20-30 bucks)

(as a result i emailed b1!$$b10g to thank him for recs and he kindly pointed me to this forum)

i was so excited

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Shake-It-Up-Garage-Sessions/release/132673

and then oh my god it all turned to shite

http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Artful-Dodger-Presents-Rewind-2001-Lessons-From-The-Underground/release/322730

iirc there was a concomitant rise in # of threads about r&b and microhouse

That Shake It Up comp looks incredibly forward-thinking for 2001! I didn't even know "Oi!" existed that early.

Like, chronologically I would think that the Artful Dodger comp you link precedes it.

Anyways everyone knows that the best 2-step comp in 2001 was the Masterstepz 'Ayia Napa 2001' double-cd on MOS.

well, it did

shake it up was october 5 and artful dodger was jun 21

which means i bought the former full-price in november (iirc my brain went DARQWAAAAAAN) and the latter off the clearance rack probably in early march 02, i clearly remember the artful dodger being the "sunroof open" disc

oh man tim, you always bring the lulz

i was scanning that ayia napa 2001 disc and i was suddenly reminded that these did not discs did not make it out of deep offsite storage last night

http://www.discogs.com/CK-Flash-Presents-Garage-Rap-Volume-1/release/1689521

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Crews-Control-MCs-Inside-The-Ride/release/631600

oh man tim, you always bring the lulz

seriously any mix that includes "Down Down Bizniz" AND "One By One" AND "All I Do (Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub)" AND "Booo!" AND "Bouncing Flow" AND "Do You Really Like It? (Full Length Sovereign Mix Vocal)" AND "Summer Jam" AND "Mic Tribute (United Grooves Collective Remix)" AND "What's This" has to be all time for real.

i remember really liking sticky, genius cru, k2, united grooves, wookie doing his exemen thing, and ... remarc?

most of that set is unknown to me though, thanks for the recommendation

so what would be a set of properly "bubblin" ukg?

i hope not the artful dodger "lessons" from the underground

If I had to select a single comp that I felt summed up ukg in this regard it would be this one:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Pure-Silk-The-Third-Dimension/release/463634

Really captures the moment of 2-step's transition from underground into overground (but not having quite made it over the border yet - which is how I'd distinguish it from subsequent comps that I like just as much).

With the Dionne Rakeem remix that opens disc 2 being microcosmically indicative.

I really enjoy the MCing on the third disc of that, Tim.
Listening to it now, oddly.

Yoo!! Just to let you guys know, I will be on 1Xtra at the earlier time of 10pm until 1am this week covering for DJ Cameo while he's away.

I hope you can all lock in!

gloomcore? are elijah & skilliam gloomcore or do you mean more like james blake?

― the late great, Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was gonna say the other day, the arrangement on the "Living Like I Do" remix has a real doomy but pop 1990 vibe for me - "Killer" / Warp / Bassic.

defo

e&s can be harsh but very rarely austere like silva

viz the way they leaven grime grr with swindle-y video game jazz noodle (often back to back immediately) to create the cartoonish looney tunes vibe

(which i hasten to add is a perhaps underappreciated quality they articulate from grime itself rather than strictly being something of their own invention)

(which i hasten to add is a perhaps underappreciated quality they articulate from grime itself rather than strictly being something of their own invention)

this nascent quality in grime always strikes me as a persistently recurring 4 Hero recessive gene...

E1D - It's A Lot! The UKG Sessions, Vol 5

01. Lenny Fontana Ft. Beverly T - Spirit Of The Sun (Mike Delinquent Project Remix) (E1D Special)
02. SKT Ft. Shanay Holmes - Sky High (Bee Q & Unique Remix)
03. Keith & Supabeatz Ft. An-Na - The Most Beautiful (Todd Edwards Remix)
04. Meleka - Love You Baby (TS7 Remix)
05. Genius Cru - Boom Selection (DJ Fabian Remix)
06. Jammer Ft. Viper, JME, B-Live, Scratchy, Layz, Sox & Flowdan - Big Man (DJ Q 'Tropical' Mix)
07. Lisa Maffia Ft. Tyler Daley & Romeo - Don't Stop The Music (Oxide Dark House Mix)
08. Scott Garcia Ft. MC DT - It's A London Thing 2012 (Scott Garcia's 20:20 Mix)
09. Stooshe - Black Heart (DEVolution Club Mix)
10. Kcat - Broken (Mike Delinquent 'Colosseum' Mix)
11. Todd Edwards - Love Inside (Sunshine Mix)
12. Wideboys - Addicted To The Bass (DJ Q Remix)
13. Rihanna - Where Have You Been (Bee Q & Unique Remix)
14. Afrojack & Shermanology - Can't Stop Me (TS7 Remix)
15. Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe (Classified Dub Mix)
16. Little Mix - Wings (Sunship Extended Mix)
17. Usher - Scream (Exemen Remix)
18. Mike Delinquent Project Ft. Lady Leshurr - Step In The Dance
19. Cleo Sol - Never The Right Time (Who Do You Love) (DEVolution Remix)
20. DJ Antoine vs Timaati Ft. Kalenna & Lethal Bizzle - Welcome To St. Tropez (TS7 Remix)
21. Enigma Dubz Ft. Katie McLeod - Dancefloor (Garage Instrumental Mix)
22. Orange Hill Productions Ft. Vybz Kartel & Sneakbo - Pon Time (DJ Q Remix)
23. Tanya Lacey - Greatness (Exemen Remix)
24. Infinity Ink - Infinity (Todd Edwards Remix)
25. Alyssa Reid Ft. Snoop Dogg - The Game (Sunship Remix)
26. Whojax - London City (Mike Delinquent Project Remix)

Split-track version is available here - https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVoanZnQ3RPSHgzZU1UQw

This looks like all my favourite tunes in one convenient package.

i know right?

you ever get round that fabian 'ride' btw

Yes! It's excellent. The decision to redo the "No Diggity" vocals seems wrongheaded right up to the amazing overlapping-vocoders-of-ecstasy chorus.

I haven't really been following this thread at all but that mix is fantastic.

if we're going to reminisce on ca-2000 2-step comps, this is the one the i basically wore the grooves out of:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Matt-Jam-Lamont-Presents-The-Jam-Experience/release/173880

E1D - It's A Lot! The UKG Sessions, Vol 5

and what do you know, it's great

New one from Royal T & Roska

http://soundcloud.com/roskaroskaroska/royal-t-ft-roska-work-your

Sounds pretty wicked. Tough garage vibes with added hoovers.

Oh that's amazing.

Indeed!

wow

who is mike delinquent? does ukg recycle more tunes than chicago or fewer?

also i thought roska's tag line was "roska roska roska roska" not "roska roska roska" as in his soundcloud link?

so, gott ist tot. what to do. one one hand, while away the evenings arguing about orbital with southall, on the other...

on the assumption that my subsconscious whims are and always have been an underground river of otm:

let's lay all the notes out. where was q going before his untimely death? the house in house & garage, full circle ouroboros. maturation of bass? the medlar remix of disclosure. disclosure themselves. mk mix of storm queen. jamie jones vs azari big at the tail end of funky. bashmore topping the urban and scene charts with 'au seve'. garage scene raving to annie mac. something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvRKqbET2o

something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQSCpJSIaY

DEFINITELY something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXg6F4V7z0

huxley. hot creations. nick hannam. hot creations and nick hannam. the jackin lot - cheap n cheerful boshers AND proper house-trained operators fluent in todays clubbing, not the late, crippled baby steps house deejaying that permeated and set off london funky. hannah wants, maya jane coles , what the diff? the garage scene has never been closer to house than it has been now. is it one sided? is it mutual? if they didnt meet halfway where did they meet? murky, got a bass to it. real actual bass. 'hialeah house party' is grimy as hell. vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see

never been closer *since inception, obv

Waiting until I go to bed and dream tonight in order properly to decode the above but in the meantime I can say with certainty that "Jagged Edge", "Must Be You" and "Bassline Soldiers" are all straight fire beautiful tunes. PROPER BUBBLERS.

And get at stuff I was talking about above, the idea of bubbliness as something that can't be reduced to an objective sub-style - i mean these are all "just" house tunes yet still so fidgety and effervescent (and yet ominous). Really difficult to pin down exactly how that tightrope is trod, and what are the poles it's stretched between.

Though here's something: all this stuff can sound, if you squint, a bit like... Nu Groove?

no doubt. konders, joey negro, and in partic kenny dope was another plate i had spinning at the back of my mind, the hip hop house but not hiphouse approach behind hot creations et al. made this little pile of sampley ones but then you can stretch it out into the classic breaks and boogie samples

Wildkats - Perpetrating (Original Mix)
Adam Port - Someone To Love (Original Mix)
Bubba - Dance With Me (Original Mix)
Claptone - Cream (Original Mix)
NTFO & Rhadow - Don't Stop (Original Mix)
Robosonic - Worst Love
Jay Lumen - As One (Original Mix)

Yeah I was listening to Konders tonight which is what made me think it.

and like, plug those into the jackin refixes of 'cream', busta, wiseguys, fatboy slim, missy...

vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see (emphasis mine)

I think this is a really important point.

Like in the jackin' house thread Lex was complaining about "You Want Me" using a Shola Ama tune as if it was part of the same modish R&B vocal sample trend as Blawan or whatevs, and it's like, no, they really don't care where it comes from, that's the difference.

how about further. bashmore into jessie ware. the way ware never convinces but is affecting on the basis of not convincing. is she a replicant? 88-96 simulation. boogie nu-groove neo-noir repertory music for offworld colonies

i.

yeah i was thinking about that with ware

90s teen tastemakers but also but 90s proto-thirtysomethings recognising a familiar port in a baffling storm (ware big on 6music), plus pious mirage of integrity for the adele crowd, plus the endless pointless gleaming simulacra of uk bass music's koolhaasian junkspace

sorted guvnor

- r|t|c, Saturday, 9 June 2012 14:33 (2 months ago) Bookmark

ii.

Tyrell: If we gift them the past we create a cushion or pillow for their emotions and consequently we can control them better.

Deckard: Memories. You're talking about memories.

LOL

Keep going

90s crit for 90s retro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9eWTi_kVxo

anthem?

allow me to be the first to notice how mutabaruka (on konders 'the poem') sounds exactly like wiley pretending to be his mum

and subsequently to extract great cosmic meaning from that obv

idgi

this stuff sounds more like sydenham / ferrer than any of the stuff you guys are mentioning

we went through this shit a couple years ago, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfa2yAgtXY

if there's ever a dance meme that makes me want to vomit its BACK TO BASICS

we gonna have another 50 posts of you not knowing what planet you're on doggie?