good show anyway, i love m.i.k (even though the video for 'mor3' genuinely makes embarrassed to say so) and fabian tremorefire is great and seriously deserves a mike delinquenty breakthrough sooner or later
http://soundcloud.com/djfabion/fabian-ride-1
tim did you ever hear this? one of my absolute 10/10 favourite, totally freaky manifestations of the sparrowlike urges of nu-ukg
even down to his "lowkey on the pwofile" speech impediment it's brilliant
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
SBTRKT — Living Like I Do (Lil Silva Remix) = nu lil silva harsh gloomcoreDismantle — More Funk = idk this guy but this is fluoro clubby boshTodd Edwards — Love Inside = todd is todd, classicistRudimental — Deep In The Valley (Feat. Shanti) (Woz Remix) - similar to dismantle bleepy clubby herve / dubble dutch eurowonkyCleo Sol — Never The Right Time (DEVolution Remix) - protean remixers do a garagey thingBilly Kenny & Chris G — Diamond Rings - jackin TS7 — This (Feat. Russo) (DJ Q Special) - 2step revival via bassline/jackinDuncan Powell — Brake 2012 - plinky mnml weirdness from otherwise ukg classicistDelinquent — Step In The Dance (Feat. Lady Leshurr) - pop bosh
like haha i do realise none of that means nothing to anyone but just understand that simply no one else draws from these notionally similar micro-ecologies to create a living breathing sociable whole under a garage banner
you could associate 9 different djs to each of those tracks who would then play similar sonically complimentary stuff and never touch the other
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
took me a while to realise it btw but that 'diamond rings' is the absolute lick
listen to way it only implies the rest of the original sample ("i gave her di-di-diamond rings / i gave her everything") and plays on its past tense by introducing a portentous "I CAN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND" to make it seem like a wronged, vengeful sequel. the definition of ardkore
http://soundcloud.com/dj-chrisg/chris-gresswell-billy-kenny
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 July 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
thanks rob! i am trying to navigate my way through funky w/o stepping in pop
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
or should i say twostepping in pop
i actually got dismantle all excited based on hardwax reviews but i thought it was moombahton-grade crap
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
not quite up to timo mass "dooms night" snuff
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
fellow old men of ilm, nothing is up to the standards set by your youth
that's why being young is what it is
make the realisation and then sink or swim
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
i am more of a double 99, smokin beats, dem 2, b15 project kind of listener as opposed to, say, sunship, wideboys, monsta boy, artful dodger fan
there must be some stuff on that end of the spectrum out there, right?
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
that isn't "FACT music"
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link
gloomcore? are elijah & skilliam gloomcore or do you mean more like james blake?
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
What's the distinction b/w b15 and wideboys/Sunship etc above, v?
Cosign all rtc's comments re the Q show obv.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
praise jesus for finners arriving to take over just before my patience was abt to snap
― r|t|c, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
i guess the difference comes down to "girls like us" original mix
i actually like quite a bit of wideboys and sunship but i have a strong preference for the left of these continua
abstract <-> songful
samples, basslines, effects <-> performance, sociology
armand van helden, 187 lockdown <-> todd edwards, timbaland
"girls like us" i realize is rather right wing
but i guess it is so masterful in the effects / samples department that i love it. i'd say the same about dem 2 i guess and probably a fair number of wideboys and sunship, pre-2002 i guess
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I was gonna say, something like the wideboys' "west side (2 da floor mix)" is left wing par excellence.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think what you're looking for exists right now as a sound per se, except (appropriately enough) as implied by the center of the venn diagrams Q likes to draw. It's that gold thread of bubbliness rather than pop per se, a bubbliness that runs through pop and darkness/heaviness both.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
honestly i just dug up this frankie foncett cd on pure silk and also dj ez mix on warner strategic marketing and this mikee b / dj target / maxwell d ayia napa thing from 2001 and artful dodger and dj luck and mc neat (both volumes of both!) etc etc last night
it's a lot to take in and rough going, i'm just throwing names out based on some things i remembered and trying to remember the rest
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
Am I reading you right to the effect that you're just taking that era in now??
I mostly adore Fabion/Tremorefire (his "Boom Selection" remix is A+) and did rifle through his soundclouds a while back, will have to wait till I get home to check this though.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think the real demarcation these days is less between abstract vs songful and more along production values lines.
This is where a distinction between say 1999 garage and 2001 garage really makes sense, the earlier stuff still retaining a kind of vinyl warmth and almost-"deepness" and the later stuff sounding like the contrast has been turned up - heavier but more plasticky beats, exaggerated bass but also exaggerated treble... a generalised air of hyperreality.
This (rather than pop vs abstraction or lightness vs heaviness) is probably the key point of distinction between "future garage" and the stuff that Q plays, only it's even more extreme now, future garage being "deep" to the point where it has to shun anything that might interfere with that, and the Q interzone retaining (albeit as a kind of reigning principle rather than a clearly defined sonic property) the sickly harshness of bassline.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:18 (eleven years ago) link
hmmm good analysis
no no this is all stuff that i was buying as it came in (new imports, usually 20-30 bucks)
(as a result i emailed b1!$$b10g to thank him for recs and he kindly pointed me to this forum)
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
i was so excited
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Shake-It-Up-Garage-Sessions/release/132673
and then oh my god it all turned to shite
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Artful-Dodger-Presents-Rewind-2001-Lessons-From-The-Underground/release/322730
iirc there was a concomitant rise in # of threads about r&b and microhouse
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
That Shake It Up comp looks incredibly forward-thinking for 2001! I didn't even know "Oi!" existed that early.
Like, chronologically I would think that the Artful Dodger comp you link precedes it.
Anyways everyone knows that the best 2-step comp in 2001 was the Masterstepz 'Ayia Napa 2001' double-cd on MOS.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
well, it did
shake it up was october 5 and artful dodger was jun 21
which means i bought the former full-price in november (iirc my brain went DARQWAAAAAAN) and the latter off the clearance rack probably in early march 02, i clearly remember the artful dodger being the "sunroof open" disc
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
oh man tim, you always bring the lulz
i was scanning that ayia napa 2001 disc and i was suddenly reminded that these did not discs did not make it out of deep offsite storage last night
http://www.discogs.com/CK-Flash-Presents-Garage-Rap-Volume-1/release/1689521
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Crews-Control-MCs-Inside-The-Ride/release/631600
― the late great, Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link
seriously any mix that includes "Down Down Bizniz" AND "One By One" AND "All I Do (Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub)" AND "Booo!" AND "Bouncing Flow" AND "Do You Really Like It? (Full Length Sovereign Mix Vocal)" AND "Summer Jam" AND "Mic Tribute (United Grooves Collective Remix)" AND "What's This" has to be all time for real.
― Tim F, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
i remember really liking sticky, genius cru, k2, united grooves, wookie doing his exemen thing, and ... remarc?
― the late great, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
most of that set is unknown to me though, thanks for the recommendation
so what would be a set of properly "bubblin" ukg?
i hope not the artful dodger "lessons" from the underground
― the late great, Friday, 6 July 2012 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
If I had to select a single comp that I felt summed up ukg in this regard it would be this one:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Pure-Silk-The-Third-Dimension/release/463634
Really captures the moment of 2-step's transition from underground into overground (but not having quite made it over the border yet - which is how I'd distinguish it from subsequent comps that I like just as much).
With the Dionne Rakeem remix that opens disc 2 being microcosmically indicative.
― Tim F, Friday, 6 July 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
I really enjoy the MCing on the third disc of that, Tim. Listening to it now, oddly.
― matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Friday, 6 July 2012 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
Yoo!! Just to let you guys know, I will be on 1Xtra at the earlier time of 10pm until 1am this week covering for DJ Cameo while he's away.
I hope you can all lock in!
― DJ Q, Friday, 6 July 2012 11:18 (eleven years ago) link
― the late great, Thursday, July 5, 2012 10:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Was gonna say the other day, the arrangement on the "Living Like I Do" remix has a real doomy but pop 1990 vibe for me - "Killer" / Warp / Bassic.
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 July 2012 09:37 (eleven years ago) link
defo
― r|t|c, Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
e&s can be harsh but very rarely austere like silva
viz the way they leaven grime grr with swindle-y video game jazz noodle (often back to back immediately) to create the cartoonish looney tunes vibe
― r|t|c, Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
(which i hasten to add is a perhaps underappreciated quality they articulate from grime itself rather than strictly being something of their own invention)
― r|t|c, Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
this nascent quality in grime always strikes me as a persistently recurring 4 Hero recessive gene...
― Tim F, Saturday, 7 July 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
E1D - It's A Lot! The UKG Sessions, Vol 5
01. Lenny Fontana Ft. Beverly T - Spirit Of The Sun (Mike Delinquent Project Remix) (E1D Special) 02. SKT Ft. Shanay Holmes - Sky High (Bee Q & Unique Remix) 03. Keith & Supabeatz Ft. An-Na - The Most Beautiful (Todd Edwards Remix) 04. Meleka - Love You Baby (TS7 Remix) 05. Genius Cru - Boom Selection (DJ Fabian Remix) 06. Jammer Ft. Viper, JME, B-Live, Scratchy, Layz, Sox & Flowdan - Big Man (DJ Q 'Tropical' Mix) 07. Lisa Maffia Ft. Tyler Daley & Romeo - Don't Stop The Music (Oxide Dark House Mix) 08. Scott Garcia Ft. MC DT - It's A London Thing 2012 (Scott Garcia's 20:20 Mix) 09. Stooshe - Black Heart (DEVolution Club Mix) 10. Kcat - Broken (Mike Delinquent 'Colosseum' Mix) 11. Todd Edwards - Love Inside (Sunshine Mix) 12. Wideboys - Addicted To The Bass (DJ Q Remix) 13. Rihanna - Where Have You Been (Bee Q & Unique Remix) 14. Afrojack & Shermanology - Can't Stop Me (TS7 Remix) 15. Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe (Classified Dub Mix) 16. Little Mix - Wings (Sunship Extended Mix) 17. Usher - Scream (Exemen Remix) 18. Mike Delinquent Project Ft. Lady Leshurr - Step In The Dance 19. Cleo Sol - Never The Right Time (Who Do You Love) (DEVolution Remix) 20. DJ Antoine vs Timaati Ft. Kalenna & Lethal Bizzle - Welcome To St. Tropez (TS7 Remix) 21. Enigma Dubz Ft. Katie McLeod - Dancefloor (Garage Instrumental Mix) 22. Orange Hill Productions Ft. Vybz Kartel & Sneakbo - Pon Time (DJ Q Remix) 23. Tanya Lacey - Greatness (Exemen Remix) 24. Infinity Ink - Infinity (Todd Edwards Remix) 25. Alyssa Reid Ft. Snoop Dogg - The Game (Sunship Remix) 26. Whojax - London City (Mike Delinquent Project Remix)
Split-track version is available here - https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVoanZnQ3RPSHgzZU1UQw
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
This looks like all my favourite tunes in one convenient package.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
i know right?
you ever get round that fabian 'ride' btw
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Yes! It's excellent. The decision to redo the "No Diggity" vocals seems wrongheaded right up to the amazing overlapping-vocoders-of-ecstasy chorus.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't really been following this thread at all but that mix is fantastic.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
if we're going to reminisce on ca-2000 2-step comps, this is the one the i basically wore the grooves out of:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Matt-Jam-Lamont-Presents-The-Jam-Experience/release/173880
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 August 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link
and what do you know, it's great
― Tim F, Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
New one from Royal T & Roska
http://soundcloud.com/roskaroskaroska/royal-t-ft-roska-work-your
Sounds pretty wicked. Tough garage vibes with added hoovers.
― jimitheexploder, Friday, 3 August 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Oh that's amazing.
― matt damon & the jb's (the anephric project), Saturday, 4 August 2012 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
Indeed!
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 August 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
wow
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
who is mike delinquent? does ukg recycle more tunes than chicago or fewer?
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
also i thought roska's tag line was "roska roska roska roska" not "roska roska roska" as in his soundcloud link?
― the late great, Saturday, 4 August 2012 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
so, gott ist tot. what to do. one one hand, while away the evenings arguing about orbital with southall, on the other...
on the assumption that my subsconscious whims are and always have been an underground river of otm:
let's lay all the notes out. where was q going before his untimely death? the house in house & garage, full circle ouroboros. maturation of bass? the medlar remix of disclosure. disclosure themselves. mk mix of storm queen. jamie jones vs azari big at the tail end of funky. bashmore topping the urban and scene charts with 'au seve'. garage scene raving to annie mac. something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvRKqbET2o
something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmQSCpJSIaY
DEFINITELY something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRXg6F4V7z0
huxley. hot creations. nick hannam. hot creations and nick hannam. the jackin lot - cheap n cheerful boshers AND proper house-trained operators fluent in todays clubbing, not the late, crippled baby steps house deejaying that permeated and set off london funky. hannah wants, maya jane coles , what the diff? the garage scene has never been closer to house than it has been now. is it one sided? is it mutual? if they didnt meet halfway where did they meet? murky, got a bass to it. real actual bass. 'hialeah house party' is grimy as hell. vox samples - wiseguys or brandy or fonda rae or gotye or allure it doesnt matter don't you see
― r|t|c, Thursday, 30 August 2012 11:42 (eleven years ago) link