'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a movie about having children the way Wages of Fear is about nitroglycerine.

Jesus, I didn't say TOMORROW was implausible; it disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness. (As for the dialogue mentions, I've either forgotten them or they were drowned out by the Murmuring Couple Near Me who wouldn't shut the fuck up.)

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie) struck me as much more repetitive last time (also more like a futuristic 1948), certainly no classic; I like Blade Runner but not cultishly.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Kenan no one is fucking with Brazil or Blade Runner, they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does. DO you agree or disagree?

Also, I find your assertion that all people have children somewhat suspect.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

All cats are grey.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

they're just saying that those movies had less to say about the time they were made than this movie does

Mayyybe.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's good movie)

ever heard of a little film called 12 monkeys?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

morbius i agree that the tomorrow thing woulda been a groaner if i HADN'T already heard it a few times.

Yeah, it's the fact that I was looking for a ship named "Tomorrow" as described earlier in the movie that made the name just a little more mundane and therefore not as overstated as it would have been coming at me from out of the blue.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, it came at me outta the blue; packed theaters are truly becoming intolerable, and I am gonna tell the next TV-room-comfy idiots who talk to fuck off straightaway instead of shushing (which works for about 2 minutes).

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

xpost

little is right, cutty

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you are a little man if you do not love 12 monkeys

funny, all my favorite films are in this thread

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Brazil (aka Terry Gilliam's great movie)

fixed

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

So no thoughts on Nigel shrieking "Take your pills Alex" (or what game Alex was playing)?

What's to say really? Shiny happy veneer cracks momentarily on an aristocrat, reveals maggots underneath, film at 11.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

what I mostly remember from 12 Monkeys is Pitt's ass, Frank Gorshin, and wishing I was watching La Jetee.

The birth scene was what, 3 minutes long? Using an animatronic baby does not excuse that, and the lack of mess.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

TOMORROW ... disrupts the mood of the last scene with hamfistedness.

the name of the boat didn't make me cringe that way but calling the kid(s) "Dylan" sort of did

Bob will save us all!

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

wishing I was watching La Jetee

God you're a pretentious prick.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do you think that's pretentious?

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

12 Monkeys was meh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Better than Hostel though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

what game Alex was playing

grid wars 2

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― max (maxreax), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Preferring anything in French to anything with Bruce Willis = pretentious to the incisive barometer of fluxhead (Willis was good too).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah Willis isn't my problem with 12 Monkeys. It's EVERYONE else!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Well not everyone. Christopher Plummer and David Morse are good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

the tone that persists for the first few scenes after that first explosion really impressed me. i almost wish julianne moore didn't bring it up.

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

The game being played was giving me hardcore flashbacks to playing Hyperframe. (Which, incidentally, rules.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha: so if you do a spectral analysis of the rest of the film, you think that one frequency will be stripped out?

that would be pretty awesome.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i was thinking "Intelligent Qube"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Dan, re: Julianne Moore as immigrant/refugee -- I actually didn't notice that many Germans getting packed off, I guess, and certainly no Americans, and she was married to an Englishman at one point, immigration-wise, and was an activist long before any of this got started, etc.: I guess I'm just saying it was another of those things that's not absolutely spelled out and pinned down. (There's a nice complicated mix on both sides, with both foreign and apparently native Fish, and a couple refugees who seem as British as anyone, which does a good job of suggesting some massive, realistic complex of deportation laws/programs.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I was wondering why they are called the Fish. it made me think of the early Christian fish symbol but other than that I wasn't sure.

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the native Fish are called "Carp" or something possibly more clever than that

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

cod

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I interpreted the first (only? the others were Rom, I thought) woman as Jewish rather than German.

xp - I loved the Cod/'English Fish' line.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

There were at least two immigrants who spoke German in the movie; the first was the woman in the cage complaining about being locked up with big black men (me in theatre: "Oh no she didn't!" everyone else: "Que????") and the person (can't remember if it was a man or woman now) who was complaining about being hungry, I think on the bus into hell...? I can't remember precisely where that happened but I definitely remember that Germans were not at all on the "cool" list.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Schwartze = Philip Roth to me, for the first woman.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I got the gist from her gestures and "schwarze" (same in German and Yiddish, yes?).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

La Jetee isn't pretentious - it's only half an hour long!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah they are similar. It sounded like full-blown German to me, esp. when she said (paraphrase) "Ich verstehe es gar nichts!" = "I don't understand this at all!"

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with you, re: Brazil. Like CoM, Brazil is/was set in an exaggerated version of the present, enabling the film to function as fairly direct sociopolitical commentary. I think this is much less true of Blade Runner, but again, that's all kinda OT here.

There's a very good thread here (that I can't find at the moment) that gets into the 1982 sociology of Blade Runner (urban anxiety, white flight, fear of Asian economic immigration)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

La Jetee isn't pretentious - it's only half an hour long!

Right, right, duration and pretense being inextricably tied and all.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Now I have a DVD rip of this thanks to my t0rrentzzz loving brother: really psyched to be able to freeze it and just study some of the details.

In another day or so I might check this out http://www.thehumanprojectlives.org/indexnew.php

But... I usually hate things like it. With the exception of those 'Lost' videos and a few peeks at the message boards for the Wire I think I've never participated in such folly.

Ohhhhh man they want me to redeem "credits" for like a photo of myself and a ticket stub? Sorry.

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Saturday, 13 January 2007 06:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Out on DVD Monday!

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:11 (seventeen years ago) link

in the uk...

― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Saturday, 13 January 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

In some ways it seemed like a short film, I guess because of the simplicity of the premise and the abrupt ending (but obv. it was not that short and really well-done).

--couple of good joeks in unexpected places

--vibe and look kinda reminded me of 28 Days Later

--great kitten

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The DVD packaging/sleeve/extras are rubbish.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If loving La Jetee more than 12 Monkeys (a very good movie) is wrong, then...

No, fuck that, loving La Jetee over 12 Monkeys isn't wrong at all.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

that wasn't the issue

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i like both.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Then I misunderstood. I thought someone was hating on La Jetee (i.e. the most defensible film ever).

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

no, morbs was hating on 12 monkeys

la jetee and 12 monkeys are not mutually exclusive, indeed it is possible to enjoy both films

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure, but it's also possible to think while watching 12 Monkeys, "this is cool and all, but La Jetee was so much ... nicer." It's not necessarily a pretentious response.

Or maybe I'm just saying that 'cuz I'm pretentious and I felt the same way about it.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I could watch La Jetee over and over, like I can 12 Monkeys.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"As I chewed thoughtfully on a juicy, char-grilled ribeye steak, I couldn't help but think that magret du canard is just so much NICER."

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

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