jenny mccarthy wants your kid to get measles: autism, vaccines, and stupid idiots

no i want to murder everyone! maybe when i eventually get around to having a doctor. i might be 35 by then time moves pretty fast.

yr dad otm xp

tho i'd strike "indoor" and just keep "plumbing." without the plumb-is-lead bit.

keeping shit water away from mouth water struck a blow to the heart of the microbial estate bent on invasion via that which we hold so dear

giving our bodies a pack of terrorist playing cards installed a ruthless security state that keeps our children, our futures, safe

hpv- they want ppl to get it before having sex, yeah, or else its not quite as effective (no one gets hpv the first time they have sex...OR DO THEY????). i say give it to everyone. ladies have to get paps all the dang time, so we have some idea of the prevalence (but not really, paps turn up FPs all the time). men don't get screened at all.

what is an FP? stop it with these abbrevs!

FP = false positive, I think?

yeah

mea culpa. i'm in too deep with the medical apparatus

in russia, medical apparatus is too deep in you

oh god i just googled speculum to find a funny image. DO NOT DO THAT.

i have a q about the chicken pox/shingles thing: so if you've had chickenpox, you won't get shingles, or are less likely to get it?

v someone that has never had chickenpox at all? more likely. the question is whether or not a chickenpox ~vaccine~ will lower your chances of shingles. afaik, its a live vaccine, attenuated, so presumably it potentiates the risk of reactivation when older. but only when considered against someone who has never been exposed to chickenpox, not when compared to someone that actually had a full-on case of it.

OK have not read all of thread yet, but my first reaction as someone actually trained in SCIENCE is wtf evidence is there for any benefit with this vaccine schedule?

Will read thread now assuming answer is in here. . .

it isn't beneficial, could be harmful, but not on an individual basis.

ok, thanks for the clarification, gbx. i was curious bc my little sister (who is type 1 diabetic) and my mum both had chickenpox as kids but both had shingles a few years ago.

shingles is deactivated chicken pox in most people, iirc. If you never had the latter, you're not going o get the former that way, in theory?

REactivated, that is

I mean I could go to PubMed and figure this out myself but I prefer to have gbx talk about it! BTW gbx, have you thought about the public health service? You would be great, although it would probably drive you bonkers.

oh whoops some xposts

OK again I could look this via NIH grant funding, but is anyone even looking, large scale, about the risks/benefits of this nutty vaccine schedule?

I gotta get back into infectious diseasees; this stuff gets me fired up.

Srsly I want to punch Jennie McCarthy in the face, and I'm a peace-loving hippy chick.

xp:geez

I had chicken pox as a kid and then shingles a few years ago. Like mh I thought you had chicken pox and then got better but the virus lurked inside of you until suddenly one day LIVE AREA SHINGLES LOOKING TO PARTY ON YOUR HEAD AND FACE.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001861/

Yeah, pretty much

btw I am gbx's age but made it to 14 without getting chicken pox so I got the vaccine.

Chik-Pox sucked. I think I was 8, and it was a horrible couple of weeks. I haven't had singles but I'm sure it is coming.

There's a shingles vaccine! They really only recommend it for people 60 and older, though.

I'll get a fake ID.

I don't think you have to worry about it unless you're immuno suppressed or super stressed (I got them when I temporarily lost my job and our apartment caught fire in the same week).

i also had shingles as a p healthy mid/late 20s person. was weirdly brought on by a sunburn, i think. it wasn't as incredibly painful as it seems described as for elderly ppl but it def sucked

plus not just on my head but on my EYE so yea fuk u shingles

A friend of mine got shingles when she was pregnant.

I used to get shingles twice a year due to sun exposure. Now: SPF 50, even indoors.

I had chicken pox as a kid and then shingles a few years ago. Like mh I thought you had chicken pox and then got better but the virus lurked inside of you until suddenly one day LIVE AREA SHINGLES LOOKING TO PARTY ON YOUR HEAD AND FACE.

Shingles are the worst. I am immuno suppressed so that's how I ended up with it -- my shoulder still gets the occasional ache and pain from the area that had shingles, but the idea of having it on the eye gives me so many nightmares. That must have been so painful.

Yeah, for real. My case was relatively mild, thankfully.

I have shingles right now! My ex got it last year. I suspect it's somewhat common among certain stressy types.

boys should get the HPV vaccine. p sure it hasn't been approved for boys yet (...clinical trials, ladies and gentlemen), but i likely will be. given that stupid boys are the actual vectors, vaccinating them would be more efficacious imo.

But how, from a public-policy standpoint, can we separate the stupid boys from the non-stupid boys to prioritise limited resources?

Look at their facebook pages.

can we separate the stupid boys from the non-stupid boys

it's easy, the second group is imaginary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/rob-schneider-links-autism-vaccines_n_1641922.html

well fuck

u think u can trust some celebs but now this shit

deuce bigelow noooooooooo

How could one of comedy's greatest minds be taken in?

haha

i watched the frontline special on this. i hope mccarthy & carrey's dumbaby gets shingles on his dingle

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-09-10/ap-exclusive-private-school-vaccine-opt-outs-rise

Bibi Reber, whose children attend the Waldorf-inspired Greenwood School in Mill Valley, had her children vaccinated only for what she sees as the deadliest diseases. Greenwood has a 79 percent opt-out rate among its kindergartners.

"I don't think dirt or getting sick makes you a weak person; your immune system needs to work with things," said Reber, whose children attend the Greenwood School in the San Francisco Bay area town of Mill Valley. "We certainly don't want to go back to having polio, but on the other hand, I don't think we need to eradicate all the childhood diseases

Public health officials say that, regardless of why parents choose not to vaccinate their children, the result is the same: an increased risk of an outbreak of whooping cough or other communicable diseases.

Greenwood School offers a dynamic education that recognizes the developmental phases of childhood and fosters the emerging capacities of each child. And whooping cough.

Enlivened education is filled with vitality, enthusiasm and spirit of imagination. And whooping cough.

Comments on that article already bringing the crazy.

Dude, if a robust immune system is key, get vaccines but don't wash hands after handling raw chicken.

I suppose it's nice that the tradition of the old-fashioned childhood diseases will be kept alive forevermore by artisanal practitioners of suffering and debility. You wouldn't want to see the classic clinical syndromes of mumps or diphtheria vanish entirely under the tide of soulless modernization and health, like an old theatre with gilded painted ceilings torn down to build another condo building and another Starbucks.

We need a Society for the Preservation of Historic Diseases. We can outfit the sick children in britches and pinafores, have their nurses wear the old fashioned white caps with red crosses, hire only bearded doctors in suspenders who don't wash their hands. It'll be a mark of culture and sophistication to have an outbreak of whooping cough in your community, like having a soda fountain that makes its own secret cola recipe or a an old-time barber shop where they use straight razors.

Of course true hipsters will roll their eyes at these increasingly corporatized North American diseases, making a point of exposing their little darlings to dengue or yellow fever instead, or at least have them contract a nagging case of neurocysticercosis.

Would be a good skit on Portlandia.

Reminds me of this, albeit vaguely http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=uWENUcEKE1s