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shit.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

chicks with books are hott, dude. (and i hear you know who is stacked!)

bnw (bnw), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The librarian?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Back to poetry! Going thru some boxes today I found this, from a Persian mystic called Rumi:

God's joy moves from unmarked box to unmarked box,
from cell to cell. As rainwater, down into flowerbed.
As roses, up from ground.
Now it looks like a plate of rice and fish,
now a cliff covered with vines,
now a horse being saddled.
It hides within these,
till one day it cracks them open.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yet far beyond the spent seed-pods,
and the blackened stalks of mint,
the poplar is bright on the hill,
the poplar spreads out,
deep-rooted among trees.

O poplar, you are great
among the hill-stones,
while I perish on the path
among the crevices of the rocks.

-H.D.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

'Dart'

Who's this moving alive over the moor?

An old man seeking and finding a difficulty.

Has he remembered his compass his spare socks
does he fully intend going in over his knees off the military track from Okehampton?

keeping his course through the swamp spaces
and pulling the distance around his shoulders

the source of the Dart - Cranmere Pool on Dartmoor,
seven miles from the nearest road
and if it rains, if it thunders suddenly
where will he shelter looking round
and all that lies to hand is his own bones?

[...]

- Alice Oswald.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

EARNEST, earthless, equal, attuneable, ' vaulty, voluminous, … stupendous
Evening strains to be tíme’s vást, ' womb-of-all, home-of-all, hearse-of-all night.
Her fond yellow hornlight wound to the west, ' her wild hollow hoarlight hung to the height
Waste; her earliest stars, earl-stars, ' stárs principal, overbend us,
Fíre-féaturing heaven. For earth ' her being has unbound, her dapple is at an end, as- 5
tray or aswarm, all throughther, in throngs; ' self ín self steedèd and páshed—qúite
Disremembering, dísmémbering ' áll now. Heart, you round me right
With: Óur évening is over us; óur night ' whélms, whélms, ánd will end us.
Only the beak-leaved boughs dragonish ' damask the tool-smooth bleak light; black,
Ever so black on it. Óur tale, O óur oracle! ' Lét life, wáned, ah lét life wind 10
Off hér once skéined stained véined variety ' upon, áll on twó spools; párt, pen, páck
Now her áll in twó flocks, twó folds—black, white; ' right, wrong; reckon but, reck but, mind
But thése two; wáre of a wórld where bút these ' twó tell, each off the óther; of a rack
Where, selfwrung, selfstrung, sheathe- and shelterless, ' thóughts agaínst thoughts ín groans grínd.

[Gerard Manley Hopkins (1844–89) Spelt from Sibyl’s Leaves]

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

under her dark veil she wrung her hands.
"why are you so pale today?"
"because i made him drink of stinging grief
until he got drunk on it.
how can I forget? he staggered out,
his mouth twisted in agony.
i ran down not touching the bannister
and caught up with him at the gate.
i cried: 'a joke!
that's all it was. if you leave, i'll die.'
he smiled calmly and grimly
and told me: 'don't stand here in the wind.' "

under her dark veil - anna akhmatova

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

'The Invalid's Echo'

[...]

I think his family is so ancient,
His heart must still be over on the right,
Though I have searched for it before
In full swing until it shrank to nothing,
Merging with my name, that comes
From nowhere, and is ownerless,
Like all we can see of the stars.

Now, like them, I lie with my back
To him, his chance neighbour,
Watching the entrance to the house,
But not the house. The long autumn
Has scattered its poisonous seeds,
So I will have no October child.

[...]

- Medbh McGuckian

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

in honor if sexy librarians everywhere... (i hope i didn't already post this 500 posts ago...)

This book saved my life.
This book takes place on one of the two small tagalong moons of Mars.
This book requests its author's absolution, centuries after his death.
This book required two of the sultan's largest royal elephants to bear it; this other book fit in a gourd.
This book reveals The Secret Name of God, and so its author is on a death list.
This is the book I lifted high over my head, intending to smash a roach in my girlfriend's bedroom; instead, my back unsprung, and I toppled painfully into her bed, where I stayed motionless for eight days.
This is a "book." That is, an audio cassette. This other "book" is a screen and a microchip. This other "book," the sky.
In chapter three of this book, a woman tries explaining her husband's tragically humiliating death to their daughter: reading it is like walking through a wall of setting cement.
This book taught me everything about sex.
This book is plagiarized.
This book is transparent; this book is a codex in Aztec; this book, written by a prisoner, in dung; the wind is turning the leaves of this book: a hill-top olive as thick as a Russian novel.
This book is a vivisected frog, and ova its text.
[...]

Library -- Albert Goldbarth

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooh I read an absolutely fantastic essay by Goldbarth (which also mentions fleas in his girlfriend's bedroom) in the D'Agata anthology a while back and meant to ask ILB if his poetry was any good. Cheers bnw!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

He's kind of one of my idols for his sheer braininess and how he uses scientific jargon in poems, which I have a big soft spot for. But his stuff can be very unwieldly and somethimes more opaque then any christgau review slobbered over on ILM.

What is D'Agata? Is that a lit mag?

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

june has thus far been a wonderful segment of the thread.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The D'Agata is The next American essay - a book of lyrical/speculative non-fiction/prosepoetry. The whole book is great, but the Goldbarth in particular may be the only thing I've read this year that has really knocked me for six.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

'Poor Moth'

Reasons run out and we are
ready to play backgammon
once again. Come on, I say.
I know when I am being
watched. Even in the washroom
here's a window left unlatched
and various small monsters
have nipped softly in to take
up key positions amongst
sunny patches on the walls.
Look at the little angels.
Chits of demons. Fools and spies.
Look at the conclusive way
in which their detail lies. One
touch would be catastrophe
or a whisper to the wise.

[...]

- R. F. Langley

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 June 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

it's quite cruel to end that there, actually. :/

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 10 June 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

More poems about backgammon pls!

Btw cozen, you asked somewhere else about getting hold of my book. The website for ordering it is broken, but if you send me your address I will post you a free copy - you can send me something of your choice in return if you like :)

rp30@sussex.ac.uk

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

bnw, I'd send you fresh cut flowers for that post about Goldbarth! It reminds me of "Prospero's Books" by Peter Greenaway. Thank you for the smile...

yesabibliophile (yesabibliophile), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no idea why I was struck with the urge to post this, as it's midsummer rather than midwinter. Still:

...Between melting and freezing
The soul's sap quivers. There is no earth smell
Or smell of living thing. This is the spring time
But not in time's covenant. Now the hedgerow
Is blanched for an hour with transitory blossom
Of snow, a bloom more sudden
Than that of summer, neither budding nor fading,
Not in the scheme of generation.
Where is the summer, the unimaginable
Zero summer?
...

- from Little Gidding

Archel (Archel), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

This isn't a poem but I can't think of what other thread to post this on (except one at ILE but you know how it is...).

So I had another reading tonight. I read the first 20 minutes of my 4-hour piece as part of this experimental dance/music/poetry deal. So here's the cool part: there were all these kids unexpectedly in the audience. About 7 of them, 8-12 years old. And, it turns out, they really enjoyed my piece. They were all very polite and came up to me to tell me how much they liked it and they said some smart things about the piece (and the other pieces as well). It was great!

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

CHW Pirates

CJD I was plundered by a pirate
CJF Describe the pirate
CJN She is armed
CJP How is she armed?
CJS She has long guns
CJW I have no long guns
BLD I am a complete wreck


[Hannah Weiner, from her book "Code Poems", "from the International Code of Signals for the Use of All Nations"]

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Those are real codes??

Btw congrats on the reading and the response :)

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Shockingly, some traditional rhyming verse:

Before the Roman came to Rye or out to Severn strode,
The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
A reeling road, a rolling road, that rambles round the shire,
And after him the parson ran, the sexton and the squire;
A merry road, a mazy road, and such as we did tread
The night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head.

-- GK Chesterton

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Pirates! Aaargh! I once had a small friend who was having a Pirate party for his fourth birthday. I told him I was going to cut off my leg and wear a peg leg for authenticity (reminder: never allow me around your children). He said:" And I,I ,I'm gonna cut off my arm and then I can be Captain Hanger!" Captain Hanger. get it? he congused the round top of a hanger with Captain Hook. Captain Hanger to thread.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i understand the boredom of the clerks
fatigue shifting like dunes within their eyes
a frightful nausea gumming up the works
that once was thought aggression in disguise.
do you remember? then how lightly dead
seemed the moon when over factories
it languid slid like a barrage of lead
above the heart, the fierce inventories
of desire.

from city winter - frank o'hara

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Hooray!

I brought Selected O'Hara to Dublin!

the finefox, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

a good companion. i wanted to put in the whole poem, but i'm trying to respect the length restrictions. here's the very last bit, which might contain my favorite line:

the snow drifts low
and yet neglects to cover me, and i
dance just ahead to keep my heart in sight.
how like a queen, to seek with jealous eye
the face that flees you, hidden city, white
swan. there's no art to free me, blinded so.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

more frank, from my heart:

i want my feet to be bare,
i want my face to be shaven, and my heart -
you can't plan on the heart, but
the better part of it, my poetry, is open.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

lauren, I never got these beautiful lines before - so thank you.

aimurchie, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks archel!! I got home today and yr book was waiting. I'll look out something for you now.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I love 'awake'.

:)

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the other day in the cinema i got "The sedge has withered from the lake / and no birds sing." stuck in my head, more or less out of nowhere, which is odd because i'm pretty sure i wouldn't have read that poem since my english GCSE, three and a bit years ago..

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

And this is why I sojourn here,
Alone and palely loitering,
Though the sedge is wither’d from the lake,
And no birds sing.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

My mum always used to accuse me of being 'alone and palely loitering' whenever I was in a bit of a sulk :) Bless her.

cozen: yay!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 18 June 2004 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link

'Notice in Heaven'

You can
SING
here

'Notice in Hell'

HALT
'COMMIT ADULTERY

- Edwin Morgan

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 June 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

'On the Matter of Thermal Packing'

[...]

Or maybe think so; the eloquence of melt
is however upon me, the path become a
stream, and I lay that down
trusting the ice to withstand the heat;

[...]

- J. H. Prynne (for mark s)

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the eloquence of melt

that's an amazing phrase.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 20 June 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

'On Keeping The Hot Side Hot And The Cold Side Cold'

[...]

Maybe yes, maybe no; the pattiness of melt
is however upon me, the cheese dripping
in a stream, and I scream that
no lettuce is cold enough to salve;

[...]

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 21 June 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh. I was thinking earlier how poetry for me is looking at big things in a small way. Of course, it can also be looking at small things in a big way ;)

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 07:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Explaining Relativity

Forget the clatter of ballistics,
The monologue of falling stones,
The sharp vectors
And the stiff numbered grids.

It's so much more a thing of pliancy, persuasion,
Where space might cup itself around a planet
Like your palm around a stone,

Where you, yourself the planet,
Caught up in some geodesic dream,
Might wake to feel it enfold your weight
And know there is, in fact, no falling.

It is this, and the existence of limits.

- Rebecca Elson

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 07:16 (nineteen years ago) link

If anything I'd say that poetry for me is about looking at small things, period. But I'm don't think that is how I would frame "what poetry is about for me".

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 05:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Science Of the Seasons"

We stitched and sutured Ill-fated futures,
Amassed the past in archaic computers
Come join the ranks in our data banks,
It's a life without thanks

Remember that night I drank and you cried?
And on your bed all night's where we lied
I stayed awake, you fell asleep
On tear soaked sheets

And we're so new and young like science
Full of ideas and naive defiance
We'll lose it all with each passing fall
As our wake up call

We'll stare straight up and wonder why the
Sky is blue; it reflects the sea
We'll all be sayin' "Science explained
Our lives again"

And we're always sayin'
Science explained
Our lives again
That's the science of the seasons

We stitched and sutured Ill-fated futures,
Amassed the past in archaic computers
Come join the ranks in our data banks,
It's a life without thanks

We'll travel countries and sit beneath palm trees
And feel the heat in a warm pastel breeze
Let's take a trip; let's go to Spain
By all night train

Or across the sea in Ocean Liners
To opium dens in Asia Minor
We'll spend our days wasting our pay on
Wasting away

We'll stare straight up and wonder why the
Sky is blue; it reflects the sea
We'll all be sayin' "science explained
Our lives again"

And we're always sayin'
Science explained
Our lives again
That's the science of the seasons.

- M. A. Hart (mp3 here.)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:50 (nineteen years ago) link

cheating, maybe, but that really is beautiful.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:56 (nineteen years ago) link

And an excerpt from the canon:

'Museé des Beaux Arts'

[...]

In Brueghel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure, the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.

- W. H. Auden

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

that's one of my favorites. i like the image, earlier in the poem, of the executioner's horse scratching its innocent behind on a tree.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(and you're right - the previous one is gorgeous.)

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

More Prynne (from mark's link but people might not have seen it etc).

Under her brow the snowy wing-case
delivers truly the surprise
of days which slide under sunlight
past loose glass in the door
into the reflection of honour spread
through the incomplete, the trusted. So
darkly the stain skips as a livery
of your pause like an apple pip,
the baltic loved one who sleeps.
[...]

I mean, wow.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Under her brow the snowy wing-case
of days which slide under sunlight
into the reflection of honour spread
darkly the stain skips as a livery
the baltic loved one who sleeps.
[...]

Just as good, and half as long!

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 24 June 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(just over the line limit, but so lovely I couldn't bear to curtail it.)

As white is she
And to my touch as choice and briefly satisfactory
As whitebeam leaves that the wind whips aloft,
That tell to the eye their texture soft:
Sweet message sent
To fingertips, and sweetness quickly spent.

Where she goes
Sliding curtains of the rain on rods of sun her ways enclose,
River-whirling gulls her gay sky recieves,
Road, their hostile posters furled,
Bless with arching eaves;
She my love by London gentled as by space the spinning world.

- Anne Ridler, Young Man's Song

cis (cis), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, how can you cut the apple pip line? But, yes, point, whatever.

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link


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