― Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Did Frank Miller use the newscast-narrative thing in Daredevil and Ronin too?
Nope, and it wasn't used in the Elektra stories or Sin City either.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Elektra: Assassin kind of uses a substitute form of narration -- rather than newscasts, he has people giving Powerpoint presentations.
I'm interested to see how he treats more prominant female characters...
Err, touchy Miller point. Simply put, he doesn't. Elektra is obv. his most notable female character, and he's written one mini series and one graphic novel focusing on her. In the latter, it's told from Murdock's POV. In the former, the series starts out with the first 1.5 issues from Elektra's POV (and they happen to be marvelously written), but then it switches to another man's for the remainder of the series. Mix in boring/flat Sin City women, and his female trackrecord isn't exemplary. (Though maybe Martha Washington, I never stuck around long enough to read all of them, and the woman in Ronin, balance things out.)
― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Promethea book 1 and Bendis's Fortune and Glory! Score.
They also have book 2 of Phoenix (the manga, there's a thread around somewhere, I think), so I assume they have book 1 and it's just out.
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 21 May 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
Weirdly, my girlfriend -- who is a big fan of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and much of Moore's current stuff -- was bored by Watchmen. She didn't grow up reading superhero comics the way I did, but came to them after getting interested in comics in general through Preacher and Transmetropolitan, so even though she reads them now, I wonder if that's part of it.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post x-post sorry
― Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
There are probably all manner of things here and there, and there are annotations out there somewhere (did Jess Nevins do them, maybe?).
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
SPOILER ALERT: I can't believe how obvious Rorshach's identity is from the very first panel even. I remember being very surprised the first time I read it. Mind you, I was 12.
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link
(x-post, in the first couple pages I thought, "Oh, so Rorshach's that guy...nah, too obvious.")
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
It parallels the story of Ozymandias. Ozymandias is the shipwrecked dude, that's why in the end he says something like "I dream of swimming towards a huge black ship", just like the protagonist of the pirate story does.
Here's how it goes: the shipwrecked guy wants to help those he loves, just like Ozymandias wants to help the humanity. He's floating on the back of dead men, just like Ozymandias is, after all those killings to make his plot work. The shipwreck dude uses a white, spotted shark to reach his goal, just like Ozymandias uses Rorschach to muddle his trails. But, despite all his good intentions, the dude doesn't do any good for his loved ones, and instead causes only death and suffering. Just like Ozymandias. This, I think, is rather clever way for Moore to end the story. Though the ending of Watchmen is seemingly open, and the reader is free to judge whether or not Ozymandias did the right thing ("I leave it entirely to your hands."), Moore's own judgement is hidden in the pirate story. In the end, the shipwreck guy realizes he's made a horrible mistake, and swims to the Black Freighter (=Hell).
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
Of course, there's a meta-version. In a world which actually has super-heroes in it, it's unlikely comics would ever have progressed beyond EC type lines (in the mainstream, at least) and it's questionable whether somebody like Frederick Wertham could actually have had as much influence in the Watchmen world as he did in the real world (given, as he was, a product of US isolationism and Red Fear - which doesn't exist in a world where Dr Manhattan lives. At least not before he gives up on humanity, as shown in the Dr M/Comedian sequence in Vietnam.) therefore why would they ever have fallen out of favour? If they never progressed from EC lines, then Joe Orlando would probably have been still drawing them till his death.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link
A dagger in mine heart! I'm pulling rank and excommunicating you, Huck.
― Leee's a Simpson (Leee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huck, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leee's a Simpson (Leee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leee's a Simpson (Leee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― eeeLastica (Leee), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 30 May 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 31 May 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link
The Authority, much as I loved it during the initial Ellis/Hitch and Millar/Quitely runs, is a standard superhero comic. With more violence, brasher ideas, widescreen imagery, sex and a good energy to it all....I always got the feeling that Ellis had said everything he really wanted to say about superheroes on Stormwatch and was basically just repeating himself with the Authority. But it was still better than 99% of superhero stuff being done at the time.
― David Nolan (David N.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lazer Guided Mellow Leee (Leee), Thursday, 3 June 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link
The coloring-the-woman image is striking. I'm picturing him sticking his tongue out as he does it, you know, like to the corner of his mouth, the way comic strip characters do when they're concentrating -- and beads of sweat on his forehead as he hunches over the drawing table, squinting through his Coke bottles.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 3 June 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, today I got Justice League: A New Beginning, some animated Batman thing and something else that's totally slipped my mind. Damn.Anyway, I followed that JL series from issue #3 to not quite #50. So I had never read the first two issues in the collection, so that was extremely cool for me. But I'm most impressed at how well those issues hold up. When I read the FKNATJL mini last year, I kept thinking it was so 80s, esp. with Kevin Maguire's slightly Schnabel-esque style. BUt the original stuff (aside from a few of the women's hair-do's, I still can't believe they ever thought taking Black Canary out of fishnets was a good idea) still reads good, it's still funny now that I'm a grown up and I'm pretty sure that a lot of my current sense of humour finds its secret origin in those comics.
― Huk-L, Friday, 4 June 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Hmm, maybe I'll do that, check on Ebay. I picked up the first two TNF, and they're wonderful, but I'm really trying to curb my spending, esp. on comics, lately.
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link
LOEB: "So there's this new Supergirl, and, like, Superman's all on her because she's from Krypton SUPPOSEDLY, and Batman's all jealous like 'Hell no she's a freak!' so he contacts Wonder Woman to whisk her away to Amazonia or whatever, but then Darkseid wants some of that too, yeah? So he raids the place, kills that blue-helmet chick from Crisis, and takes her away."
ED: "OK, so what happens in the next issue?"
LOEB: "Next? Dude, that's the plot for the first THREE issues!"
Why I made Jeph Loeb sound like a Yale Repetory reject auditioning for the O.C., I dunno.
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lazer Guided Mellow Leee (Leee), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think it's for real; been making the rounds today.
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 September 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
i will probably never write the your content filtering policy is technologically flawed & socially irresponsible irate-patron-letter i occasionally get the impulse to write. it would be super depressing to find out that it isn't just that they're confined by the technology, but that they're okay with cutting off access to valuable resources because they have swears.
so much stuff coming up under 'occult'.
― inimitable bowel syndrome (schlump), Thursday, 18 November 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
if it's filtered it's occult by definition
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 November 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Queens Central and Mid-Manhattan libraries: I kiss you both for all the great comics you've lent me.
Currently reading Macedonia by Pekar, Roberson and Piskor.
― RR, Friday, 19 November 2010 08:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Not comics related, but the publisher Penguin is planning on making its tiles available as e-books:
http://www.nypl.org/press/press-release/2012/06/21/penguin-group-usa-launches-library-lending-pilot-program?utm_source=eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NYPLNews201207&utm_campaign=NYPLNews
― calstars, Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
So I went to the Public Library last night, and they had a decent selection of "graphic novels"! The librarian looked at me like I was a moron when I brought an armload of "graphic novels" to the check-out desk, particularly when I said "They're for my kid."Shame makes me lie.― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
Hahaha. I did the same thing a few weeks ago, finding several dozen hardback trades at the local library that I hadn't read. Walked out with a 7" stack of trades - good one stop catch-up.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
i like this place. mine has giant windows that look out over an old cemetery.
― très hip (Treeship), Sunday, 23 March 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
http://yearlongphotos.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/october-17-2012-boise-library.jpg?w=600
― fit and working again, Sunday, 23 March 2014 22:25 (ten years ago) link
today they told me i qualify for a free membership even though i'm not a borough resident because i work for the school district.
!!!
― très hip (Treeship), Sunday, 23 March 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
The reading room at the ny pubic library is closed.
― calstars, Friday, 17 October 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
My old library in Round Rock had "The Death Ray" and "Locas Vol 2," making me very, very happy indeed.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
QBPL has changed their logo, color scheme and website.
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
What comics did you get, though?
― blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 6 April 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
Ha, sorry, realized that later.
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 6 April 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
"Well, I'll be glad to help - on one condition. Give me a chance to show you that the library isn't some kind of prison or torture chamber."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35pSI-HOirM
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 04:43 (two years ago) link