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PECOTA is incredibly optimistic with rookies, almost to a fault.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i wish they did multi-position eligibility.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i am dumm, how do i shot position players on this thing

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

there are tabs at the bottom of the screen:

hitters, pitchers, notes

click on each tab.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Projected Awards:

NL All-Stars:
C: Brian McCann
1B: Pujols
2B: Utley
3B: Cabrera
SS: Bill Hall
RF: Brian Giles
CF: Carlos Beltran
LF: Soriano

AL All-Stars:
C: Mauer
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano
3B: A-Rod
SS: Jeter
RF: Vlad
CF: Sizemore
LF: ManRam
DH: Hafner

NL MVP: Pujols, Cabrera, Wright
AL MVP: Hafner, Mauer, Ortiz

NL CY: Webb, Peavy, Pedro
AL CY: Johan, Halladay, Bonderman

NL Relief: Wagner, Lidge, Broxton
AL Relief: K-Rod, Nathan, BJ Ryan

Can someone tabulate the ROYs? I'm not sure who's eligible. I know that Tim Lincecum (SF SP) and Philip Hughes (NYY SP) are projecting high.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, Pedro for NL CY? What year is this? And Giles, pfft.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Jason Kendall's 5.8 VORP (#45 of MLB Catchers) will cost the A's $12M.

Yeah, but he's projected to hit a HR in 2007! You wouldn't want to miss this once-in-a-season event!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA cards are out.

5-year projected values:
Barry Zito, $34.05mn
Alfonso Soriano, $61.3
Joe Mauer, $150.775
Poo-holes, $153.6
Johan Santana, $96.65
A-Rod, $83.0
Grady Sizemore, $118.075
Barry Bonds, $10.775

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 21 January 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Admittedly, I know very little about this whole PECOTA thing, but as far as I can tell it's some kind of projection of a players performance for the upcoming season. What is really confusing me is the Stat of the Day that came in the BP Newsletter today:

Top 5 2007 NL Second Basemen, by PECOTA Projected VORP

Player, Team, EqA, VORP

Chase Utley, PHI, .295, 49.0
Ray Durham, SFN, .295, 38.7
Eric Patterson, CHN, .280, 34.9
Brooks Conrad, HOU, .279, 29.2
Jeff Kent, LAN, .291, 28.2


Do the BP people expect that this guy is going to get significant playing time a 2B this year? He is not even on the radar here in Houston. Right now Biggio start at 2B regularly until he get his 3000th hit, then, according the conventional wisdom, he'll split time there with Mark Lorretta, who the Astros signed in the offseason to be a "super-utility" guy. The other future 2B on the Astros is Chris Burke, who will be playing CF this season now that Willy T has been traded.

So why does BP figure a PECOTA for Brooks Conrad and what makes them think he'll have the 4th best season in the NL at that position?

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if you email whoever the chief PECOTA guy at BP is, he'll tell you.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver is the chief PECOTA guy.

Basically I think the PECOTA projection means that if Brooks Conrad plays 2B (which he won't) and gets 516 AB (which he also won't) and hits as well as PECOTA projects he will (which given his #s in AAA isn't entirely unwarranted) he would be this valuable over the course of the year (in a league with weak 2B for the most.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA is saying the Astros are dumb if they don't play him.

milo z (mlp), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA is incredibly optimistic with rookies, almost to a fault.

-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), January 16th, 2007 3:14 PM. (Steve Shasta)

^^^^^OTM x 10000000000000000000000^^^^

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 February 2007 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

case in point, look at Kevin Frandsen's projections last year vs:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7749

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What was his projection last year? His numbers look really good (but of course he only got 83 ABs.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait I totally misread that line (they look terrible haha.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this Nate Silver post actually answers the question above:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=190

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 11 February 2007 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Christina Kahrl: the good news is that we should be posting PECOTA leaderboard lists here on BP.com at some point next week.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Any reaction to the PECOTA team win forecasts ?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Seems reasonable to me, at least in who they're projecting for the top spots. I hope the Brewers win that much.

An NL Central-leading OBP for the Cubs is RISIBLE, however.

mattbot, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

but it's cuz of their .275 BA.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the A's prediction is low, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. I suspect that if Harden/Crosby stay healthy and Piazza plays well, the A's will win 90+.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

lotta ifs, and Piazza is no Big Hurt. They're also thinking Chavez has peaked.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they are wrong about that too. A lot of the A's underperformed or had their seasons curtailed by injuries. If the A's can stay healthier (sure it's an IF but health always is) and those guys step up, I think the A's still have a really good team. Plus I just don't see their division as being that strong and the Angels have just about as many health questions as the A's do.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically 80-82 seems like the absolute worst case scenario to me.

Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I'm dreading the next update... the Mets are already a game behind the Phillies with Duaner for 55 IP.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

YSI?

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link

:`(

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"Basically 80-82 seems like the absolute worst case scenario to me."

HAHAHA!

Alex in SF, Friday, 8 February 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Also LOL:

Zito's ERA goin up that much is weird.
-- Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:41 AM (1 year ago)

and some!

Steve Shasta, Friday, 8 February 2008 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Joe Kennedy, Swing, TOR:

40 G, 9 GS, 4.78 ERA, 1.50 WHIP

I think it is safe to say that he will underperform his 2008 PECOTA prediction.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 February 2008 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Peavy: 212 IP, 223K, 1.13 WHIP, 2.98 ERA

Santana: 225 IP, 239K, 1.08 WHIP, 2.94 ERA

This would be a hell of a Cy Young battle -- the closest matchup in years!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 February 2008 10:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Is Santana's league adjusted?

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes -- he's listed as a Met.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link

What are the numbers on the Reds Brandon Phillips?

earlnash, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 01:11 (sixteen years ago) link

.274/.325/.444
20 HR, 20 SB
22.4 VORP

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

are they projecting Ryan Zimmermann over David Wright?

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

yes, they have Zimmerman at .339/.420/.687

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

nb: I haven't seen it yet

Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

what do they have wainwright at? also adam lolkennedy?

bnw, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link

and the entire starting line up of the Florida Marlins?

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Florida, offensively at least, looks okay on paper (Hanley, Uggla, Willingham, Hermida, etc.). Their pitching, on the other hand, looks like TROUBLE.

Byun-Hyung Kim is their projected #3 guy with 6-7, 4.54 ERA, 1.45 WHIP.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Unless the Giants resign Bonds, PECOTA forecast they will have no player with a:

BA: >.293
OPB: >.348
SLG: >.449
OPS: >.781
HR: >15
BB: >37

that is simply disturbing.

just to compare, there are 5 Royals forecasted to have equivalent or higher OPS than the best Giant.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Revive, and let's compare that with the actuals:

BA: .306 (Randy Winn)
OBP: .385 (Ray Durham)
SLG: .445 (Bengie Molina) - advantage PECOTA
OPS: .791 (Fred Lewis)
HR: 16 (Bengie Molina)
BB: 59 (Randy Winn)

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link

09PECOTA YSI? ;-)

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 January 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Shasta not understanding PECOTA shockah?

Giants sound like YOUR TEAM there

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link

oh no, a Giant hit 16 HR, PECOTA BROKE!

Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link

from kevin goldstein:

"According to PECOTA, with a full slate of at-bats, (Matt) Wieters should hit .311 with a .395 on-base percentage and a .544 slugging mark this year. That's good for a .319 EqA. How good is that? Historically great, because it would easily be the highest mark of any catcher in 2009, and only 17 catchers have exceeded that mark in the history of baseball."

am i freaking out already? yes i am.

j.q higgins, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh now I get it... comparing a forecast with actuals as a measure of accuracy is "not understanding" in the magical world of Dr. Morbius.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

lol YSI? ;-)

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

When do the Fangraphs projections come out?

i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

those fan projections are dogshit, they're being trolled this year pretty hard. heyward looks to be a top five OFer and tommy hanson will pitch better than cliff lee.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-braves&tid=149282

sanskrit, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link

tommy hanson will pitch better than cliff lee

not impossible, imho!

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 February 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

ZIPS is the best one on fangraphs and it's not up there yet but i'm pretty sure they've all been calculated since they're rolling them out team by team at http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/newsblog/ (ignore the top post, that's a sticky from last year that hasn't been updated)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

ok, i guess BP isn't all that bad.. Ferris! http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12877

sanskrit, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Is .325 OBP an unrealistic projection for the Dodgers, though? Your strength this season is likely to be your pitching staff, but even so you're likely to be 3rd favourite in the NL West, I'd have thought (ahead of two pretty poor teams).

Mark C, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

has the mets @ 80 wins!

johnny crunch, Monday, 18 February 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

noted last week

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 02:06 (eleven years ago) link

behind some numbers

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19673

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 March 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

It's out, and projects 73 steals for Billy Hamilton

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...
eleven months pass...

projects Angels at 80-82.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

vlad jr, 14th-most valuable position player of 2019, just ahead of aaron judge

mookieproof, Friday, 2 November 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

go bucs

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link


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