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god help me I'm not 100% sure I understand a double switch /alfan
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
specifically wrt the timing of the events involved with the switch
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;
event 2) replace pitcher and position player
event 3 ????????
event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
you just replace the pitcher with the position player and vice-versa. so when the pitcher's spot comes up, the position player is actually there.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I get that but it's not a satisfying answer for me, i guess. is it just as simple as calling a P a 2B and a 2B a P? i.e. a semantic manuver?
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i think maybe try taking the positions out of it? you are free to substitute any guy for any other guy, and because it's the nl, you are free to let anyone play any position. so.......
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i'm an al fan too just trying to work through this for both of our benefits
>i think maybe try taking the positions out of it?
I don't think that's my issue. i can't figure out where in the timeline of events that lead to the players ending up in the advantageous BO slots.
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
ACCEPTED EVENT: event 1) remove pitcher and position player from the game;
ACCEPTED EVENT: event 2) replace pitcher and position player
ACCEPTED OUTCOME: event 4) batting order results in position player batting in pitcher's spot and visa versa.
I took my Afrogermanic neighbor to a game last year and it was probably the hardest (explaining stuff) I had to think since my SAT.
― Tito Linndrum (Andy K), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
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― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
like, everything makes sense independent of the whole
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
what's semantic about it? aren't the replacements in the lineup? (i.e. couldn't any player conceivably play any position?)
― "the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the two substitutions don't technically happen simultaneously. so you can first take out the pitcher and put the position player in his spot, and then take out the other position player and put in the pitcher. it may happen at the same time on the lineup card, but that doesn't matter until either a) the NEW pitcher's spot comes up because the inning continues or b) the inning ends and someone needs to pitch the next inning.
all that's relevant initially is that you are batting a position player for a pitcher. what the double switch is really doing is allowing him to stay in the game after his AB.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
its mostly an NL thing.
+ if it happens in the upper half of the lineup (in a 9 inning game) it's usually due to injury or an older player needing rest (often during a blowout).
+ if it happens in the bottom half of the lineup it's usually to take advantage of poor batter or to insert a defensive replacement.
so say your light hitting SS (say, 2009 jose reyes off the roids lol) is batting 8th and made the last offensive out and your pitcher has tossed 7 innings and is due up in the next inning. after the batter makes the out, the manager would indicate a double switch taking reyes out of the 8th spot and inserting a pitcher in that spot instead (then up 9th in the current batter order = less chance of getting an at bat by end of game). then in the 9th spot, you'd insert the switch, usually the next best offensive player and either move him in at SS or shuffle the defense around to accomodate him.
does this make sense? cuz i could go on but i'm not sure how much sense this is making...
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
yah it makes total sense - you're rejigging the line-up to put as much distance btw your pitcher and having to bat as possible
― (Palm) springs sprungs (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^ this is basically what I was looking for
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
so, yes, it is all effectively instantaneous, but that's the order I was looking for.
― Batsman (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
order of operations cf. maths.
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incredible comeback as the herts falcons improved to 1-23 on the season. they've been outscored 351-98
― mookieproof, Monday, 16 August 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link
Can we have that in English please?
― Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Monday, 16 August 2021 07:40 (two years ago) link
lmaooo
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 August 2021 07:51 (two years ago) link
i know some of those guys
A Dead Armed Pitcher is Not Yet a Man
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Instead of throwing the ball like any of thatI throw it right down the middleas hard as I canMy ass is handed to me in front of an audience
I grunt when I throw because they asked me tobecause if I don’t they’ll ask why I didn’tbecause they thought it would add a couple miles per hourto my cartoonishly slow and extremely hittable deliveriesThe other kid grunts back as he slaps a loud smackThe crowd roars because our team is away and they are safe at homeWe’re 13 years old, I suckedI got roughed up on the usualbut our team had no reliable bullpenso they left me in to soak up the remaining inningsuntil the 10-run rule arrived, the rule of mercy
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 January 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link
x-posting here because it's for baseball nerds
and also to help explain baseball to only people in the UK
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