― j fail (cenotaph), Friday, 2 May 2003 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
(nashville can fuck off, it's like some indie guy "sees through" chart music)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
At one time I would've picked "Nashville" as the best, and it's genius film, but these days I think I like "The Long Goodbye" best. But it's a small difference between those two. "Thieves Like Us" and "MASH" come in close after those two.
I haven't seen all his films, but I like most of them I have seen. I even liked "Dr. T." There is something very, very stoned and somewhat OFF about Altman even at his best, though--I can't quite put my finger on it. But he respects so many other things that most directors don't even notice/consider, so it evens out.
A lot of people would rank "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" up there--I need to see this one again, it's been a while.
His comeback movies--"Short Cuts" and "The Player" are both fine, I think.
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
something like that, and I even saw it at the peak of my populist jihad.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Friday, 9 May 2003 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 9 May 2003 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 9 May 2003 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
But since this is "pick only one," I'll throw my support out for 3 Women, which I've heard is finally coming to video (in the form of a DVD with muthafucking commentary by Altman).
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 May 2003 05:31 (sixteen years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Saturday, 17 May 2003 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's to hoping the disc release isn't held up (he's confirmed that he's actually recorded the commentary so it shouldn't be too much longer).
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 May 2003 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Monday, 19 May 2003 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
― PVC (peeveecee), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Brewster McCloud... I had to struggle to get through this one. I guess it sort of taught me what it feels like for other people who did the same with Popeye, Quintet, Images and Buffalo Bill and the Indians... all of which plenty have likened to having teeth pulled even though I found all four to be (if not in the same league as 3 Women, Goodbye or Nashville, still very much) worth investing serious time.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 07:06 (fifteen years ago) link
BTW, there's a good book about Brewster floating around that was published in 1971. It was consists of three parts: A day-by-day account of the shooting, a transcript of the film itself, and the original script by Doran William Cannon, which is very, very different from the finished product (for example: it was set in NYC instead of Houston, there was no detective subplot etc.)
― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 19 January 2004 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 30 January 2004 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Eric you have just made my weekend! Thank you!
― BabyBuddha (BabyBuddha), Friday, 30 January 2004 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 January 2004 21:20 (fifteen years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 30 January 2004 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
― esther (esther), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm surprised that it was originally set in NYC, because Houston is the logical place for it. 1970 Houston is the home of NASA ("Space City" as the radio identifies at the beginning) - the maximization of the technological and bureaucratic form of flying that Brewster rejects.
The detective is a total transparent riff on Bullitt down to the name (Frank Shaft vs. Frank Bullitt), their home (San Francisco), their clothes, Steve McQueen's detached-acting, heck even the cars in the car chase (Shaft drives a Camaro - equivalent to Bullitt's Mustang. Brewster is in a Plymouth Road Runner - equivalent to the Dodge Charger in Bullitt. I've always found it hilarious that Altman has the detective off himself at the end of the chase rather than accept defeat.
In the end though, the Establishment wins - kinda like the ending of Vanishing Point but Brewster's end isn't transformative as Kowalski's.
It's also entirely possible that Altman and co. were just smoking a lot of weed and making stuff up on MGM's dime.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 06:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I just saw it for the first time. I'm baffled. I honestly HATED it for the first 3/4, kinda got more into it once the Brewster/Shelley Duval thing heated up. though the prolonged car chase was execrable, but maybe that was a relatively "new" device then?? Fuck if I know. I'm glad it ended so weirdly, though, that was kind of reassuring, somehow.
I don't normally have a problem with more abstruse films, but this one, honestly, just seemed bad. Real bad. Except for Shelley Duvall. Holy mackerel.
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 12 August 2004 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, this comment from Eric H is interesting; that's precisely the thought process I had watching this thing. Like: now I know what it must feel like on those occasions when I drag some of my friends who aren't big cinephiles along to a more unconventional film. I think the fact that this film induced an uncomfortable feeling is probably a good thing, but I need to tease it out some more..
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 12 August 2004 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link
McCabe and Mrs. Miller WINS ALL!
and Short Cuts, Nashville come in close behind.
― x j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
― holojames (holojames), Friday, 13 August 2004 11:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I reccomend it to anybody interested in the film. It's also quite rare. (BTW, I'm not the merchant)
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Saturday, 14 August 2004 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
NashvilleM*A*S*H* (I thought these were both okay, w/Nashville having the higher high points, but neither prepared me for the unbelievable greatness of...)McCabe and Mrs. MillerThe Long Goodbye
I've seen almost all his post-Player stuff. So I'm trying to fill in the blanks in the 70s and 80s. Particularly curious about Brewster McCloud, the Buffalo Bill movie, the Nixon movie, and 3 Women.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
― t0dd swiss, Thursday, 24 February 2005 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
next on the plate are probably Brewster McCloud and Thieves Like Us, tho the wife anxiously wants to see Pret-a-Porter, which I do not have fond memories of...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 22 April 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 22 April 2005 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
1. Nashville (1975) 2. The Long Goodbye (1973)3. Short Cuts (1993)4. McCabe and Mrs. Miller (1971)5. MASH (1970)6. Buffalo Bill and the Indians (1976) 7. Tanner '88 (1988)8. Gosford Park (2001)9. The Player (1992)
Frankly, the top 4 are all even in my book.
― Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 23 April 2005 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 25 April 2005 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
― The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 12 January 2007 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
Should I go see That Cold Day in the Park? Sandy Dennis as a lead makes me wary.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
I've always found it hilarious that Altman has the detective off himself at the end of the chase rather than accept defeat.
^yes to these thoughts^
― johnny crunch, Monday, 19 July 2010 03:09 (nine years ago) link
re: brewster mccloud btw
― johnny crunch, Monday, 19 July 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) link
One of my professors was a camera loader on the film and he basically confirmed this.
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 15:08 (nine years ago) link
so much hate indifference for Beyond Therapy.Julie Hagerty is still my neurotic dreamgirl.
― meisenfek, Friday, 23 July 2010 05:38 (nine years ago) link
Wow I don't get the Brewster McCloud hate on this thread AT ALL...
― Mark Ruffalo! is gonna tell us! about empathy! (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 18 May 2012 20:25 (seven years ago) link
i love it! it's perfect altman for ppl who hate 'nashville' (like me).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:16 (seven years ago) link
Was watching "Short Cuts" for the first time in years. I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that I think every female star (even Frances McDormand) is given a nude scene, or at least an underwear scene, including a suicide attempt and the dead body in the river. Something about it just seemed so ... gratuitous in their casualness. Like, if this were a stage play, one of the actresses would have a casual nude scene, just in passing, matter of fact. Or just Julianne Moore's famous scene. I wonder, if this movie were made a few years later, if Altman would have had more of his male stars get naked, too, beyond Huey Lewis flashing his wiener.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 August 2012 17:31 (seven years ago) link
NASHVILLE tho Short Cuts a close second
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 07:45 (one year ago) link
I had a similar reaction to 3 Women at first blush. It grows in my esteem with every rewatch.
― Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 March 2018 03:32 (one year ago) link
I loved 3 Women on my first viewing, but I can probably credit that to my having already seen both Persona and Mulholland Dr.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 March 2018 03:55 (one year ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 04:08 (one year ago) link
That says a lot for 3 Women, which I saw when it first came out, and remains the clearest and most compelling--scenes still still roll in memory with no known cue, the swimming pool murals appeared as I was waking up a couple mornings ago---- more recently, "Wellll, you two have a lot in common." "Lak whut?" "Oh, I don't know! Aren't you both from Texas or something?" kept coming up while I was trying to wait patiently for the doctor.
(I'd like to see Buffalo Bill especially). He's never struck me as having anything particularly trenchant to say about any sort of social or historical concern, and seems more interesting as a weaver of tall tales with sometimes-interesting character portraits. He seems most interesting, however, as an at least semifictional observer and to some extent participant in what he really knows - the popular or semi popular performing arts world he inhabits -Which is why you might like Buffalo Bill, on a night when he's ramblin' around, gassin' about previous events and what he made of them, with the travelling Wild West Shows, Indian actors/re-enactors and all---Lester Bangs connected this to Dylan's theatrical self-presentation in his '74 reunion tour with The Band: a battered Americana legend-merchant in "full scraggle" (the raspy rattle of "It's Alright Ma" on that year's live Before The Flood is a good example).
― dow, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link
That is, Bangs specifically cited this movie as a thematic link to Dylan's self-presentation, whether D. was thinking of or had seen this movie or not.
― dow, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link
Watched OC & Stiggs again this weekend and yah I still think it's aged well and gets a bad rep. It's really fun seeing the Altman-isms translated for an 80s teen comedy. I don't get the hate for this.
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 April 2018 22:23 (one year ago) link
FYI..."Images" is free to watch if you have Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07578H9YR/Susannah York is very good in it, and the score works well (never would have guessed John Williams and avant-garde Japanese percussionist Stomu Yamashta would team up), but its variations on a theme get a little tiresome (ok, she's schizophrenic, this isn't real, I get it). Cathryn Harrison, who was the lead in Malle's "Black Moon," is also in it. Altman fans should check it out, but don't expect a masterpiece.
― ernestp, Sunday, 29 April 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link
1. California Split2. Nashville3. The Long Goodbye4. Brewster McCloud5. 3 Women6. The Player7. Short Cuts8. A Wedding9. McCabe & Mrs. Miller10. Secret Honor
not my thing: Thieves Like UsDud: Images, Buffalo Bill, MASH
haven't seen the restbut I have Kansas City and Streamers waiting
― flappy bird, Sunday, 10 February 2019 08:12 (eight months ago) link
McCabe below Short Cuts and A Wedding is completely looney tunes but at least you're in the ballpark. I wouldn't put California Split first but I def rate it higher than most.
Musts to see if you haven't yet: Gosford Park, The Company, Tanner '88 (probably in my top five Altman projects)
― Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:48 (eight months ago) link
Thieves Like Us might be as high as #3 for me
never liked Brewster
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:52 (eight months ago) link
Also Vincent & Theo and Prairie Home Companion were quite good iirc but it's been a while since I saw either.
― Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Sunday, 10 February 2019 14:54 (eight months ago) link
01. Nashville02. 3 Women03. Short Cuts04. McCabe & Mrs. Miller05. The Company06. The Long Goodbye
Those six are his undying masterpieces. The rest is a great jumble of movies I like a great deal more than most (Popeye) and a great deal less than most (California Split).
― zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:48 (eight months ago) link
1. The Long Goodbye2. McCabe and Mrs. Miller3. Thieves Like Us4. The Player5. 3 Women6. Nashville7. Vincent and Theo8. Gosford Park9. Secret Honor10. The Company
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 February 2019 18:50 (eight months ago) link
1. California Split2. The Long Goodbye3. McCabe & Mrs Miller4. Nashville5. Brewster McCloud6. Short Cuts7. The Player8. Gosford Park
I havent seen 3 Women, Thieves Like Us (well ive seen bits of it), A Wedding, The Company, Tanner '88
― . (Michael B), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 11:45 (eight months ago) link
Cannot believe the disrespect being shown to O.C. & Stiggs itt rn.
― Shaved Cyborg (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 12:48 (eight months ago) link