― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Mes amis, I have now dropped the hefty clangers of Television=as good as literary symbolism and Television=as good as Coltrane. I am redefining the very concept of "overrated"!!
― pulpo, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
television = bettah than coltrane but who isn't eh?
torn curtain falls into the "it is named after a film" twilight zone of inevitable uselessness, no?
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
'The Blow Up' is prob. O/P - haven't seen any ROIR releases for ages - but a (French, I think) company called Danceteria did issue it on CD - it's not exactly a rare rec, anyway. There's a vinyl version as well.
The sound quality is just on the edge of tolerable, sadly, but parts of it are
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can cope w/that. I have a 'descension' alb after all.
― nathalie, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kris, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anas FK, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I would give you a copy of some skullflower though I see what the jetlag is like. Don't know if i have any tapes at home.
Ummmmm....Ramones anyone? Talking Heads? C'mon!
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pulpo, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mike bott, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
ME TO FRIEND: "You wanna hear guitars fuck? You do? Well, I've got just the record for you!"
EMBARASSING CONFESSION OF THE YEAR: I masturbated to it as a teenager. Really. It's had quite a bit of influence on my sexuality, and I plan to write an essay on that soon.
― Christine "Green Leafy" Indigo, Saturday, 13 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Very few bands have come close to capturing this sort of synergistic brilliance. Early Treepeople, perhaps. Hot Snakes? It's a fine art, and Lloyd and Verlaine were the absolute masters of this art.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Get yourself a girlfriend, boyfriend or sex doll. You pick!
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh, and fuck off, Mr. Que.
― Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
For chrissakes, the very name was a euphemism for the act of fornicating.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Go find a pumpkin patch.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link
"Marquee Moon" too long? That's impossible. On The Blow-Up, even though the sound sucks, it's 14:45 and too short. On Live At The Old Waldorf, it sounds amazing, and at 15:45, I'm still wanting more. There's a live disc in Tom Verlaine's A Miller's Tale compilation that has incredible sound, with a 13:58 version. It's not nearly long enough. The song has reached over 17 minutes, but I don't know of any recordings of it. Plenty of rockers have been inspired by John Coltrane, from The Byrds to John McLaughlin & Carlos Santana's Love, Devotion, Surrender (1972), and nothing beats "Marquee Moon." The very first chords hit that rare sweet spot that never fail to send chills up the spine. It's eerie, a little melancholy, electrifying.
Television has inspired plenty of obsessive acolytes, including The Feelies, Felt, and more recently, Sonic Youth (hear "Rain On Tin"). Yet nothing quite matches Marquee Moon's peculiar dry guitar sound and telepathic, serpentine interplay. Overrated? Fucking hogwash. Just try to find an album that surpasses what Marquee Moon accomplished.
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Brooker Buckingham (brooker...), October 12th, 2006. (Brooker B)
OH YEAH ASSHOLE, YOUVE HEARD A TON OF MUSIC
― Maf54 (plsmith), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
but i hear what i want to hear, obvs, ha
― Mayor Manuel (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
i can imagine the shimmery part around 8:20 (?) sounding totally sublime under those circumstances.
― Mayor Manuel (La Lechera), Tuesday, April 8, 2014 3:21 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Indeed it did; and the pause between that and the drums' re-entrance was just, I mean, I think I was holding my breath.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
And punk in the best way. Like when it mattered for a band to show that you could work with the absolute basics. And that those basics were beautiful.
― timellison, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
Have you read interview with Verlaine in that book, Feeding Back? Interesting stuff about his approach to guitar.
― You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
No, would like to see that.
― timellison, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
that whole book is good. verlaine's is far from the most forthcoming interview, but that's no surprise.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link
Believe he says something to the effect that he took a big piece of paper in the shape of a guitar neck, wrote the names of the notes and pasted it on a wall, studied it and made up his own stuff based on that instead of playing the same chord voicings he might have gotten from somewhere else.
― You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
(That was xp)Tyler otm. Discussions are a good mix of guys talking about the creative inspirational side and the technical side. Sometimes you get one or you get the other or you get an oil and vinegar mix but here you really feel like they are talking about where the rubber meets the road.
― You Never Even POLL Me By My Screenname (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
― the urinalysis of fire (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link
Sorry
. that part sounds like a burst of Fichelscher-era Popol Vuh to me (shimmery pastoral guitars, even if it's just for a tiny moment)
I always think of this part as a callback to the many moments of birdsong imitation in romantic music like Mahler Delius Wagner etc where the strings get all hushed and the woodwinds imitate birdies. But it does sound like Danny too!
― the urinalysis of fire (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
They always sound punk even in the midst of major pastoralism.
That's ludicrous to me. The basics need to have a component of ugliness.
The boots I heard sound a lot better - a sound which is hinted at and not really captured on the LP.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 09:10 (ten years ago) link
I don't know, maybe I shouldn't have said always. And maybe pastoralism isn't quite right either. I hear "Venus" and it sounds like a breakthrough, though. There's bite to the guitars and the whole thing is stark and skeletal.
― timellison, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Its true there is a bite at times...thinking about it, sorry I called it 'ludicrous'...more like er, interesting word choices...
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
that part sounds like a burst of Fichelscher-era Popol Vuh to me (shimmery pastoral guitars, even if it's just for a tiny moment)
Meanwhile, the second half of "Du tränke mich mit Deinen Küssen" (on "Das Hohelied Salomos"), when the guitars start kicking in, always reminds me of Television.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 April 2014 11:50 (ten years ago) link