C/D: Sonic Youth - Washing Machine

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"Diamond Sea" is a great song but it was the prototype for the new, boring Sonic Youth, so for that I hate it. "Little Trouble Girl" is pretty awesome though. I don't really remember the rest of the album at all, but I remember the way the CD inlay felt and smelled.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

new, boring Sonic Youth

*sputters*

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It's true. I don't like any post-Dirty Sonic Youth, and I don't like Goo much either.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

DID I BLOW YOUR MIND?

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, Goo is overrated.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, that's an exaggeration. EJST&NS and Washing Machine each have some good songs but are kind of a mess, Thousand Leaves and NYC G&F are dull, and SY+O'Rourke is totally overrated tedium.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I care way more about EJST, Washing Machine, and Sonic Nurse than I do about Sister or Evol.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

YR LOSS BRO

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm convinced that "Shadow of a Doubt" was SY's peak, it's all been downhill since then.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a definite peak of their early stuff, I agree.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

peak of da early stuff = bad moon rising, specifically "i love her all the time"

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It is probably just me, as I was starting to listen to Krautrock when Washing Machine came out, but this album always seemed liked Sonic Youth going for a kosmische music sound with the extended freakout sections.

Either way, Washing Machine is the last Sonic Youth record that I really listened to over and over, unlike the albums that came after which I have given only a few listens then put on the shelf.

I still have never picked up the last one.

earlnash, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with jaymc. Though I really really like Sister, I care most for their nineties albums. And the O'Rourke stuff.

Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I care way more about EJST, Washing Machine, and Sonic Nurse than I do about Sister or Evol.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 7th, 2005.


Hear, hear!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Washing Machine is a decent enough record, but it doesn't rate terribly high w/me when compared to their truly classic stuff.

And I have to jump in on the EJSTANS argument: my favorite SY album, and one of my favorite albums, period. I don't know if that says anything about its objective quality, but I know that I love it.

And I know that you are WRONG if you do not also love it. WRONG.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

All this nu-SY love is making me inexplicably sad. IT'S SO FUCKING BORING.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

man, classic record. skip tracer is the ultimate Lee song, and unwind has gotta be the most blissed-out, chill sy song. the guitars breathe with a lot of space, with a weird, dull clarity. thick guitar sounds. probably the "biggest," breathin'-est sounding sy album, without much glossy sheen. the clean guitars sound enourmous on it. EJTNS takes the taco, though, for a variety of shorter songs, super-sounding riffs, and strange atmospheric beauty. it has this quiet, dense humidity to it. classic sy

Rvssignonald's, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i know snare-girl is blissed out, but Thousand Leaves is another story. talk about a beautiful recording, Thousand Leaves.

rssl, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

poortheatre, it seems weird that you would want a deluxe edition of something you'd never heard!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The album that got me back into the SY fold, after having somewhat lost interest. Skip Tracer = best song ever. YES, SIRRRRRRR!

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love washing machine. "unwind" is my favorite sounding SY song by far and one of the prettiest songs ever. "washing machine" is my favorite Kim vocal post-EVOL. everything else is pretty damn swell (great Lee songs), not a clunker in the bunch (well maybe Panty Lies kinda sucks).

anyways, CLASSIC. better than Daydream! as good as Sister or EVOL!

brontosaur, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I love "Skip Tracer" and "Unwind" and like "Becuz" and "Diamond Sea" and a few others, but on the whole I don't rate it as highly as the albums that directly preceded and followed it.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

also: track 9 aka BECUZ CODA is the bomb.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG yeah that's great: that beautiful bloom at the end.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one of their last greats. no wait, the 3 SYR eps were amazing.

then the dramatic slide into the most severe mediocrity imaginable with A Thousand Leaves. they ain't come up since.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

All this nu-SY love is making me inexplicably sad. IT'S SO FUCKING BORING.

If you want to avoid the boring peg you have abandon SY entirely. The 80s stuff isn't as boring as the 00s stuff but its also 20 years old, so the boringness evens out.

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Plus, as much as I love Sister, there's something incredibly boring about any album with Thurston Moore & Kim Gordon on it - at least in hindsight.

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh the guilt.

earlnash, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Dance beats and funny clothes helped Bowie escape this fate.

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

And bad teeth.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ANTHONY YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

GOOD JOB

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did I think it was a good idea to start posting on ILM again?

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Had been a major, major obsessive from Confusion is Sex, was severely disillusioned by Daydream Nation and Master dik, had quite liked a couple of the subsequent albums but Washing Machine was really the end of the road for me. I just found myself thinking why do I even own this? Not sure I actually made it all the way through the whole thing - maybe while doing the dishes.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

JUDAS!

Baaderonixx weaves a daisy chain for... SATAN!! (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did I think it was a good idea to start posting on ILM again?

you're lonely.

'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Only clunker is indeed "Panty Lies" which I hate more than almost any other SY song. The solo in the middle of "Washing Machine" is up in the stratosphere, and "Unwind" is one of the most beautiful songs I know.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

classique. 'skiptracer' is up there w/ 'in the kingdom #19' and 'genetic' as the best lee songs evar. 'unwind' is one of the most gorgeous songs i've ever heard... and 'diamond sea' is close behind. all the songs rule except for 'panty lies', which i can't stand.

i'm not sure why i even posted, rssvldonalds and sleeve already said everything i had to say. DITTO'D

6335, Thursday, 8 December 2005 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

poor, poor theatre.

amon (eman), Thursday, 8 December 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

in da kingdom #19 is one of the WORST Lee songs!!! Genetic is grebt, though, of course. And Wish Fulfillment. The Lee stuff on Dirty is some of the only decent material on that album.

I'm a big Eric's Trip fan.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 8 December 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i believe anita hill

dali madison's nut (donut), Thursday, 8 December 2005 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's their best album dudez.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 8 December 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

poortheatre, it seems weird that you would want a deluxe edition of something you'd never heard!

well, I bought Goo this past summer and fell in love with it-- and then they came out with a deluxe version two months later. so, now i want to pick up Washing Machine, but if they're going to do a deluxe version, I might as well just wait until that comes out... yafeelme?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 8 December 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

As taken from dali madison's interview with Mark Hosler in a previous life -- he began it while fading out "The Diamond Sea" (I should know, I was in the studio):

K!z!K:
It is 8pm here on KUCI 88.9fM in Irvine...
Voice:
It's 8pm...

K!z!K:
Pacific time of course! And we're on the phone right now with Mark Hosler of Negativland, so, say hi.

Voice:
[Gurgling] "GGGH-GHGGHG-GGHGHGHHG-GHGHHGHGHG_GGHGMmmm..... GGHGHGGHGG- GHGHGHGHHG-GHGHG-GHGHGmmmm"

K!z!K:
[laugh] Well, there you go... well, anyway, you released the Fair Use book about a few months ago, and it ended on a somewhat positive note. You reached an out-of-court settlement with SST. Island records and affiliates finally agreed to give permission for the re-release of the U2 single, provided of course that Casey Kasem give permission. So that only leaves that one obstacle...the "Casey" barrier... I wanted to ask how far you've gotten along in tackling that barrier, and in perhaps convincing Casey to finally give the OK.

Voice:
[Gurgling] "GHGHGHG-GGGHGHGHGHG_GHGHG GOOOHHGmOGHGGHM GGGANNSWERR GU GGHGAT GGGESTIONGGh.... GHIM GNONT GGHGMARGHGK GHGOOSLEGLER... GHGHI GGHAAM GNOT.....[in background] he wants to know about...U2"

Mark Hosler:
Hi.

K!z!K:
[laugh] Did you hear my question?

MH:
No, I didn't hear your question. They...they wouldn't let me use the phone. Someone else had the telephone, and I just...[LOUD BANG AND CRASH] ...got it from him. That was, man... [LOUD TONE PITCH BENDING].... wait a minute... you're going to have to repeat that question. Real sorry.

K!z!K:
[laughing] No problem! The question was this: Fair Use was released about a few... well, almost a year ago...

MH:
See, now everyone here is talking while you're talking...[CRASHING SOUND]...and I can't hear...the question.

K!z!K:
Well, OK, then...now can you hear me? Am I coming through clear?

Voice [background]: I was not talking!

MH [to Voice in background]: Will you shut up? [SCREECH AND ANOTHER LOUD BANG] I'm trying to talk on the RADIO... in Southern California after a lame Sonic Youth song. [to K!z!K] OK, go ahead.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 December 2005 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I Don't care at all if people find latterday SY boring - I just immerse and flow on some of the most beautiful shit ever. I forgive them, often actively enjoy, stoopid lyrics, Thurston's irritating pretentiousness, over long songs, all of it. They've given me more pleasure these past 15 years than the Beatles themselves. I mean physical pleasure. You find them boring? Your loss.

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Thursday, 8 December 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

this record is solid. and nobody wanna talk about my fave tracks: no queen blues, junkie's promise??? a $100 used to be more than enough . . . damn! buy it poortheatre! foe reel

jdchurchill (jdchurchill), Thursday, 8 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

LIstening to this again now after perhaps a decade. No Queen Blues is great. Actually, the whole thing is very good.

paulhw, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link

this one = good.

A Thousand Leaves = much, much, much better.

stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link

title track = awez

clotpoll, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

This is perhaps my favourite Sonic Youth album. It certainly was a few years ago, though Daydream Nation may edge it now, since I've become a lot more familiar with that album in the last year or so.

krakow, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Murray Street is the one!

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link

had this convo w/ a friend the other day. much prefer their direct songs and (relative) consonance over their skew-whiff, aimless, atonal meandering. sister takes the cake for me as far as most consistent LP.

meaulnes, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link

me too

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

Also, I've always loved the amazing "meta" uber-reflexive cover featuring pimply Lollapalooza teens wearing SY "washing machine" t-shirts.

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Tuesday, December 6, 2005 10:56 PM (thirteen years ago)

RIP

Daniel J. Barrett, 38, died Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at home. He was born in Springfield on November 19, 1980. Dan loved and enjoyed being with his family. Dan had a deep and profound love for his only child, Ashley, he passed on his love of reading to her. Through the years they shared some special times together. He was a loving and caring son to his mother and had a dedicated bond with his brother, Timothy. He loved to cook and was employed at numerous restaurants around Western Massachusetts. Dan moved to the Boston area where he continued his passion for cooking as a chef as well as teaching under privileged youth. Dan's last employment was as an instructor at a Christian School in Jamaica Plains, Massachusetts. Dan also enjoyed reading, playing video games, and telling jokes. Dan loved making other people laugh including impromptu stand up at local clubs. Dan had a great love of writing, he was a prolific and talented writer who received awards for some of his short stories. He loved to play music, especially guitar and bass, he even performed in several local bands. Dan’s personal claim to fame was being featured on Sonic Youth’s album cover Washing Machine. He was an avid sports fan and especially liked the Patriots and Red Sox. He leaves a daughter Ashley Geary of Little Elm, TX, his mother Kim (Leary) Vuelta of Westfield, His brother Timothy Barrett and spouse Janea Barrett of Westfield, his sister Christine (Barrett) Bieda and spouse Nathan Bieda of Chicopee, stepfather Mike Vuelta of Westfield, step brothers Jason Vuelta and companion Samantha Dick of West Southbrook, MA, Corey Vuelta and spouse Natasha Vuelta of Phoenix, AZ, Matt Barth and spouse Laura Barth of Holland, MA, maternal grandmother Joyce(Renaud) Leary of Westfield and his girlfriend Sarah Parker of West Roxbury, MA. Dan was predeceased by his father David Barret and his grandparents James and Eleanor (Sheehan) Barrett and Thomas Joseph Leary. Dan also leaves behind a large family including aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, nieces, and friends in both Western Massachusetts and Boston. The funeral will be held on Wednesday, April 24th at 7 pm from the Firtion-Adams Funeral Service, 76 Broad Street, Westfield, MA. Burial will be private. Calling hours will be held at the funeral home on Wednesday from 4-7 pm before the service. In lieu of flowers, please consider donating to a memorial fund for Dan’s daughter Ashely Geary. Donations may be mailed to 1109 Lake Hollow Drive, Little Elm, TX 75068. Firtionadams.com

Published in The Republican on Apr. 23, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link

Bummer

flappy bird, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 00:24 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I first saw them on this tour and had a Kiss The Stone bootleg of that German show for years. It is fantastic - Washing Machine and Diamond Sea are astonishing live.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Saturday, 26 September 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

HELLO 2015!!!!!!

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link

that song is so great

the band he talks about is Mecca Normal

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

I wish they they had included more ‘Skip Tracer’-type stuff on their 90s-and beyond material

I think that it would have opened up that era of the band in terms of bringing back many of those who stopped paying attention after Goo (to me, there’s a direct lineage from a lot of the stuff on Bad Moon Rising and ‘In The Kingdom #19’ to ‘Skip Tracer’)

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link

What do you mean by "'Skip Tracer'-type stuff"? There are still a number of tracks with spoken word over dissonant guitars on those albums, I think?

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link

but not Lee's, I don't think

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link

Title track of "NYC Ghosts and Flowers" is probably the closest.

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:06 (three years ago) link

There is, but I don’t think a lot of that stuff is as interesting in terms of integrating the talking with a pop-rock structure. Skip Tracer is SY doing something interesting within that 3-4 minute side of the band, whereas a lot of the things they were doing at that point were more a case of “somewhat conventional rock-pop with noise bit in middle”, or “relatively ambient track with spoken word interlude”

I think a lot of those Geffen albums are really good but I don’t think the marriage of those elements above were that common; if they were, it was more incidental, or a part of something much longer (ie not in a 4 min tune)

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link

Ah, yeah, I see what you mean.

The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link


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