― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
what's wrong w/ "private eyes"?!?
("maneater" is musically fine, but lyrically kinda dumb.)
and now many of us are old enough to be dads ourselves, so = h&o AND steely dan DOES = DADROCK yay!!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
in what world is pinkerton weezer's most commercial record?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
so did john oates!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
closest would be either (or BOTH) abandoned luncheonette or war babies.
then there was darryl's solo rekkid w/ ROBERT FRIPP ... one of the great WTF? moments.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Can't Stop The Music(He Played It Much To Long) 2. Is It A Star 3. Beane G. And The Rose Tattoo 4. You're Much Too Soon 5. 70's Scenario 6. War Baby Son Of Zorro 7. I'm Watching You(A Mutant Romance) 8. Better Watch Your Back 9. Screaming Through December 10. Johnny Gore And The > Eaters
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link
How's the second Hall solo album (the one with the long-ass title)?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
(i haven't actually heard this one, so i can neither confirm nor deny that thought.)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
also, check out the video for EC's "the only flame in town" -- EC getting PWNED by his mastah, darryl hall!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Fredland (jfredland), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
seriously though...no.
― Lee F# (fsharp), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link
As Douglas Wolk has pointed out elsewhere, "Las Vegas Turnaround" from Abandoned Luncheonette is TOTALLY a B&S song.
Having just finished seeing EC 30 minutes ago, as far as comparisons between him and H&O, well, I can't go for that (no can do), just because there's really not much in common there (plus EC's catalogue's a lot better)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link
After listening to "Big Bam Boom a couple of times, I conclude that it's a better album than "Punch the Clock." But no damn way is "Private Eyes" a better album than "Trust," nor is "Abandoned Luncheonette" a better album than "This Year's Model."
EC can still write great songs, while H&O's original inspiration seems to have dried up. Frankly, I dont think they listen much to the radio; they were always great synthesists. Maybe if you played Daryl Hall the new Beck he'd show Mr. Hansen how to do soul right.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 8 April 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 8 April 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link
YES I AGREE!
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Weezer is so entirely inconsequential.
I am frequently castigated for my H20 love. I'm so glad there's H20 love on ILM.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― billstevejim, Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm always amazed that Hall'n'Oates has all these singles people are ape for and its fucking "Private Eyes" and "Maneater" I hear everywhere.
Miccio totally OTM! I've been gradually really getting into H&O over the last year or so, and it's not like I've never been to a dentist's office before...they just never play the really great shit!
Also, I would fucking love to hear Hall and Oates in their prime covering "Say It Ain't So." The Weezer performance is one of the high points of 90s rock (certainly the best thing they ever recorded) - but I think Hall could pull it off.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 05:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, since this thread started I've heard "SIIS" and it is sweeeet. "Say It Aint So" might be one of my least favorite Weezer singles, though it's still fine enough.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 December 2007 05:54 (sixteen years ago) link
There was this band in my high school that did basically Beach Boys songs, "Runaround Sue" and "Say It Ain't So." Singer was a fat kid with a cowboy hat.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 December 2007 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link
They weren't an intentionally quirky band or anything, they were just kinda inexplicable.
― da croupier, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm ready to like "Say It Ain't So" a little now, but still.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 26 April 2008 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link
also the instruments used on both songs are different
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
also different producer
Yeah.. what I was saying is that I'm sick of people saying that song was "ripped off" from another because the chord progressions are similar.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Perhaps, Surmounter, but an awful lot of bands ripped off the Pixies.
H&O didn't!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 April 2008 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think SIAS was "ripped off" from WIMM and I don't think the shared progression takes anything away from it being a great song. But I think the case for WIMM influencing SIAS is strong and I think it's an interesting connection. It's not a super-obscure chord progression (and not just power chords-- WIMM verse goes E C#m G# A, SIAS verse goes C#m G# A E), but it's not exactly a "standard" progression either. The G# following the C#m rather than preceding it and then resolving deceptively to the A is pretty distinctive.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 28 April 2008 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Can we get back to discussing what is clearly the superior of the two tracks?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 April 2008 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I love this thread.
― Bimble, Monday, 28 April 2008 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link
What if you think they're equal?
― billstevejim, Monday, 28 April 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Hall & Oates' "Say It Isn't So" is the greatest song of all time.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link
Are you people out of your fucking minds? I hoped that the hipster world's brief foray into Hall and Oates apreciation ended that stupid week where Ben Gibbard made that dumb list on Pitchfork, then Pitchfork had that dumb news feature about their tour. It's not like the Weezer "Say It Ain't So" falls under their dubious ironic period, it's just great.― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Wednesday, April 6, 2005 11:11 PM
I listen to H&O about 10x more than Weezer, but "Say It Ain't So" is Rivers' best song, and "Say It Isn't So" wouldn't make my list of top 20 H&O tracks (I'm sure Alfred already made this list, so I'm off to compare it with my own mental list).
― enochroot, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link
https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/mano-a-mano-the-best-of-daryl-hall-and-john-oates/
― enochroot, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
Say It Isn't So would sound amazing coming from nearly any other band, but it's up against things like I Can't Go For That and Kiss On My List.
Why haven't Weezer ever put out a greatest hits btw? They're totally a singles band.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
they did, it's the one with the blue cover
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
No Head, no cred.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhTa2PeIdxs
― Briania, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
I would not have guessed that that guy had a soft-rock/folkie period
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link