rock stars who went back work.

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I think Hugo Burnham went on to record exec stuff of some sort, but I think the thread is better if we don't concentrate on people who moved into an entertainment corporation.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim Rutilli of Califone waits tables (occasionally) at an amazing restaurant in Chicago

Where?

More Chicago musicians:

Janet Bean of Eleventh Dream Day and Freakwater works at a law firm. Tim Kinsella of Joan of Arc and Johnny Herndon of Tortoise have both bartended at the Rainbo Club in Wicker Park. John Navin of the Aluminum Group is a public school teacher; his brother Frank waits tables at the restaurant in the Hancock Building.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, let's not get on the artist x went on to produce or become an A&R man track.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(None of mine went "back to work," though: I don't think any were successful enough to actually quit in the first place.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Rutilli is occasionally waiting tables at Rodan in Wicker Park.

cdjk, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, interesting. I've been there. I wouldn't recognize him, though, since I've never seen Califone.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

steven pastel of the pastels runs a record shop (although the pastels are still going too). alan rankine of the associates teaches music technology

I remember Steven working in the music department of John Smith' before they sold up to Starbucks. Alan Rankine helped get Belle and Sebastians career off the ground.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Rapp of Pearls before Swine became a lawyer, as did Santiago Durango of Big Black.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Justine Frischmann of Elastica has done some school teaching since 2001.

CT (cowboytrance), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Bob Mould worked as a writer for WCW Wrestling a while back.

gspm (gspm), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Somebody had a thread recently about Art Tripp, ex-Mothers percussionist, who became a chiropractor and moved to the Mississippi Gulf Coast area within the last couple of years. Also, Motorhead Sherwood became a California Highway Patrolman. (Time to recast all those CHiPs episodes in my head.)

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

isnt laura cantrell a stockbroker on wall street? i know her job is finance-related, somehow.

on the pylon website, there's information about all the current occupations of its members.

i almost never hear of musicians / artists in general existing without some sort of dayjob.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Dunno how many of these you'd call "rock stars"....

Mark Perry (Alternative TV) worked in WH Smiths for a while
Vic Godard (Subway Sect) is a postman
Manic Esso (Lurkers) was last seen working as a drayman
Viv Albertine (Slits) works (vaguely) in television
Topper Headon (Clash) is apparently a taxi driver
Gaye Advert (Adverts) works (vaguely) in personnel / admin
Pauline Murray (Penetration) I believe works in Social Services
Jayne Casey (Big In Japan / Pink Industry / Pink Military) works for Liverpool Council
Howard Devoto (Buzzcocks / Magazine) works / worked for a picture archive library
Paul Jones (drummer with Killing Joke protegees Red Beat) works for High Wycombe council; as, I believe does Howard (also form High Wycombe but no relation afaik) Jones' mime-artist chum Jed Hoile.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"Somebody had a thread recently about Art Tripp, ex-Mothers percussionist, who became a chiropractor and moved to the Mississippi Gulf Coast area within the last couple of years."

If you follow the link in my first post....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

pearl from powder 'works' as one quarter of a tragic wife-swapping group.

Miles Finch, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Art Tripp also an Omar Shariff impersonator?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Stewart -- my bad.

Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing I always wonder -- how do those mid-level indie bands survive? They're big enough that they tour frequently, hence they probably don't have a full-time job. But they also can't be making much from music.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

on my first day at work at sonicnet (RIP), i was somewhat surprised to see the bass player from too much joy sitting behind an executive desk. not that i ever imagined that being in too much joy would set you up financially for life. last i checked, he was still an online music exec somewhere.

dave allen from gang of four and shriekback is in the digital/computer/music/whatever biz in some capacity.

john s. hall from king missile is an entertainment lawyer.

as for M4rk 1bold of Pavement -- hell, he was working as the mersh guy for other bands even when pavement was at the height of their success. i'm not sure he ever went back to work inasmuch as i'm not sure he ever didn't work.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder about that, too, Hurting.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember reading an recent article about Yo La Tengo in which they said that it was only a couple years ago that they were able to make a living off music alone.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

on my first day at work at sonicnet (RIP), i was somewhat surprised to see the bass player from too much joy sitting behind an executive desk
Sandy? I remember when he started at the desk job, he was working at that building on 6th ave between 51st and 52nd where there are some offices, maybe for Atlantic, I think he had had a kid a little bit before.

You worked at sonicnet, fcc? Was that what used to be Addicted to Noise?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

A friend of mine who lives in Philly used to see one of the Dead Milkmen working in a coffee shop or a pizza place there. This was a few years back. Might’ve been the guy who died.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

ken: sandy, yes indeed. sonicnet was on bleecker street at the time, though. atlantic does, or at least did, have offices on 6th near 51st, in the same building rolling stone was in, but if sandy ever worked there, that's not where i knew him from.

sonicnet and addicted to noise were two separate companies that merged in the late '90s and continued using both identities; i started not long after the merger and essentially worked for both.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I was surprised so see Miki from Lush working in the TV listings dept of IPC. Along with Rob Sekula of 14 Iced Bears, indie fans.

laticsmon (laticsmon), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sonicnet was on bleecker street at the time

must ... fact-check ... self. for the historical record: sonicnet was on broadway. damn close to bleecker, though.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Peter Hein, frontman of famous 80s german bad Fehlfarben, and one of the best punk singers and songwriters, decided that he'd rather work for a photocopier company than being a star. it was a voluntary choice, he was not forced to do this. IIRC, fehlfarben had just been signed.

xenografia, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Gerard of Killdozer is a tax lawyer
Derrick Bostrom of The Meat Puppets is a web designer

tipustiger, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Topper Headon (Clash) is apparently a taxi driver

in the late 1980s or early 1990s, i no longer remember, i visited friends who lived in a squatted flat in brixton. I was introduced to a couple that was temporarily staying in one of my friends rooms. they guy looked like a heroin addict. he was introduced to me as topper headon, the clash drummer. i had no idea of his or the clash's fame and had certainly not heard their music before. topper told me he works as a cab driver. not sure if he still would be as some of their songs were successfully rereleased.

xenografia, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

re: bill withers -- i wouldnt be surprised if his label owns the copyright to that song. many of R&B folks from the 60s/70s rarely saw royalties for their works.

re: mid-level indie bands -- lots of them work temp jobs in between tours. this also explains why bands like that tour a lot: its one of their few sources of income.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i recall--perhaps it's in his biography--that while he hasn't taken up the gig fully, Philip Glass still renews his NYC taxi license whenever it's up for renewal

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw one of them out of mclusky working at HMV in cardiff and one of menswear works in that snazzy trainer shop right by camden locke

joey deacon, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

on my first day at work at sonicnet (RIP), i was somewhat surprised to see the bass player from too much joy sitting behind an executive desk. not that i ever imagined that being in too much joy would set you up financially for life. last i checked, he was still an online music exec somewhere.

That would be Tim Quirk: He went on to become editorial director of Listen.com, now a part of Real.com. Great, great guy. TMJ unfortunately didn't make him much money due to the ol' demon RECOUPMENT.

But as for others: Bobby Sherman became a California EMT; and of course Pete Best made donuts at a bakery after becoming an ex-Beatle.

Does becoming a preacher count as "going back to work"? If so, we can add Vanity, Little Richard, Ma$e, and a ton of others.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i recall--perhaps it's in his biography--that while he hasn't taken up the gig fully, Philip Glass still renews his NYC taxi license whenever it's up for renewal

That's awesome.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Debbie Googe became a cab driver, didn't she?
Also Billy "Bass" Nelson (the OG bass player from Funkadelic) apparently got into the computer industry in the 80s-90s, before returning to Clinton's touring band.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

That would be Tim Quirk:

actually, i was talking about sandy smallens. tim was tmj's singer and might have had a desk awfully close to the sonicnet office in san francisco, but never inside it. sandy was the tmj's bassist and his desk was inside the sonicnet office in new york. apparently, being in tmj was an excellent background for getting back to work in the digital music biz! (and tmj, of course, had a song back in the day that celebrated noted getting-back-to-worker hugo burnham of gang of four.) ((and if you spend your time in music tv/video circles, you're likely to run into a third member of too much joy.))

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Does becoming a preacher count as "going back to work"?
Wasn't the King of Rock and Soul, Solomon Burke famous for this sort of thing? Preacher, undertaker, concessionary seller of ribs and popcorn before his own shows. I remember reading a story from Dion or somebody talking about how, before they got on the tourbus, Solomon would buy some sandwiches somewhere and then, a few hours later when the other performers were "dying for something," he'd charge them five (1962!) dollars for a ham sandwich.

Somebody once told me they had met a lawyer at a business meeting who told them he had been in Looking Glass, if not the lead singer
himself.

And what about the bass player in Huey Lewis's old (and for one album, Elvis Costello's) band Clover, who has been known to play with Lucinda Williams but also got a day job as a chiropractor, Dr. John Ciambotti?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, seeing SonicNet's and ATN's names bandied about takes me back... Webnoize.com was the horse I rode for a while, then AOL, then back to relatively straight work. Good times, tho.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Fact Checkin Cuz: Thank you for once more living up to your name. :)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Does becoming a preacher count as "going back to work"?

Paging Al Green.

The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Webnoize.com was the horse I rode for a while, then AOL, then back to relatively straight work

guess those stock options never quite paid off, huh? ;-)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"topper told me he works as a cab driver. not sure if he still would be as some of their songs were successfully rereleased."

Last I heard (a couple of years ago) he was living somewhere down near (Dover?) and still driving a taxi.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Cappadonna also became a cab driver after the last few Wu related albums started tanking.

King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, I got a cab ride once from a pretty well-known music writer.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Kelly Hogan bartends at the Hideout in Chicago.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Rick Buckler (The Jam) now makes a living restoring and selling old furniture.
A former Buzzcock (can't remember if it's Steve Garvey or John Maher) is apparently working as a car mechanic somewhere in the USA.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of restorers, billy zoom from x had a shop for a long time where he repaired and customized guitar amps. he may still have the shop, but his website says he's too busy producing to work on amps right now.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Prior to his death, John McGeoch (Magazine, Visage, Banshees, Public Image) was working as a nurse.
The Damned's keyboard player Monty Oxymoron still works as a psychiatric nurse when the band aren't touring.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt those alimony docs that came out on the smoking gun awhile back mention that exene cervenka (sp?) was a high school teacher? also, didnt one of the girls from sleater kinney teach in between all hands on the bad one and one beat?

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxpost:
Wasn't one of Mott the Hoople also in the furniture restoration business- Overend Watts?
I thought I heard that Pete Shelley was working in the City of London as a stockbroker or something back in the 90s.

Anton Fier was working as a counterman at a local sandwich shop in downtown Brooklyn until recently.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

.. or maybe I've got the wrong bloke (opps)

Mark G, Sunday, 17 April 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link

From that Guardian piece:

When 10,000 Maniacs’ Natalie Merchant grew tired of being a marketable commodity, she quit for the quieter life of a solo artist, and was then duly horrified when her debut album, 1995’s Tigerlily, sold 5m copies, because “then came the treadmill again”.


A singer doesn’t go solo at the height of her bands popularity, release an album with her face on the cover, and promote it with singles and videos, all because she hopes to lay low. I feel like she’s probably being inaccurately paraphrased here.

begrudgingly bound by duty of candor (morrisp), Sunday, 17 April 2022 21:46 (two years ago) link

Kira (Black Flag) - computer programmer

Actually she went into the film/TV business - currently a dialogue editor with two Emmy Awards.

birdistheword, Sunday, 17 April 2022 22:05 (two years ago) link

Also, it was mentioned in another thread, but when Jonathan Richman isn't doing music, he makes a steady living building and installing pizza ovens.

Best story I've heard is Philip Glass - from The Guardian:

...Glass supported himself as a New York cabbie and as a plumber, occupations that often led to unusual encounters. “I had gone to install a dishwasher in a loft in SoHo,” he says. “While working, I suddenly heard a noise and looked up to find Robert Hughes, the art critic of Time magazine, staring at me in disbelief. ‘But you’re Philip Glass! What are you doing here?’ It was obvious that I was installing his dishwasher and I told him I would soon be finished. ‘But you are an artist,’ he protested. I explained that I was an artist but that I was sometimes a plumber as well and that he should go away and let me finish.”

birdistheword, Sunday, 17 April 2022 22:08 (two years ago) link

Forgot, I looked into the Gang of Four after catching their reunion. Turns out Hugo Burnham went into academia to teach art, Jon King became the chief executive of World Television, which produced news reports, webcasts and corporate video for clients from Greenpeace to Nestlé, and for awhile Dave Allen went into advertising and brand marketing, first with a division of Overland Agency and then co-founding the digital strategy firm Fight.

birdistheword, Sunday, 17 April 2022 22:23 (two years ago) link

when I read that Guardian piece I did think that his was not an accurate take on Róisín Murphy's recent career:

After singer Róisín Murphy had navigated the end of her pop duo, Moloko, and then attempted to steer an idiosyncratic solo career with a determination Orson Welles might have admired, she moved to Ibiza to focus on two things: motherhood and the Mediterranean. “Sometimes it’s nice to just relax, you know,” she says.

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 17 April 2022 23:33 (two years ago) link

I saw something about how after her solo album tanked, Jemina Pearl from Be Your Own Pet was overseeing open mics and karaoke nights in Nashville.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 April 2022 23:48 (two years ago) link

Forgot, I looked into the Gang of Four after catching their reunion. Turns out Hugo Burnham went into academia to teach art🕸, Jon King became the chief executive of World Television, which produced news reports, webcasts and corporate video for clients from Greenpeace to Nestlé, and for awhile Dave Allen went into advertising and brand marketing, first with a division of Overland Agency and then co-founding the digital strategy firm Fight.


Dave Allen also founded(?)/ran World Domination Records, a short lived label that had Capitol Records backing.

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:51 (two years ago) link

Kira (Black Flag) - computer programmer

Actually she went into the film/TV business - currently a dialogue editor with two Emmy Awards.

Update yr info. Kira won an Oscar for sound editing on Mad Max Fury Road.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 18 April 2022 03:00 (two years ago) link

When I last checked on him, in the 90s, Arthur Brown was doing this:

In the 1980s, Brown moved to Austin, Texas, where his wife came from, and obtained a master's degree in counselling.[28]...Together with former Mothers of Invention drummer Jimmy Carl Black, he also became a painter and carpenter for some years,[10] and released an album with him, Brown, Black & Blue (1988). In 1992, Brown and fellow counsellor Jim Maxwell founded Healing Songs Therapy, a service that culminated in Brown creating a song for each client about their emotional issues.[30]

But then he left Austin and thread-relevance, getting back to UK Rock biz:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Brown_(musician)

dow, Monday, 18 April 2022 03:22 (two years ago) link

Update yr info. Kira won an Oscar for sound editing on Mad Max Fury Road.

Hah, even better! I just pulled everything from the opening paragraph on Wikipedia - I was surprised it's not in there. (It actually is, but buried towards the bottom.)

birdistheword, Monday, 18 April 2022 04:44 (two years ago) link

Bit of a niche interest this, but Michael McGuire, from 80s' conceptualists/ pranksters Sudden Sway, is now Senior Lecturer in Criminology at the University of Surrey.

https://www.surrey.ac.uk/people/michael-mcguire

And if you doubt it's the same guy then about one seconds worth of hearing him talking about cybercrime on YouTube will convince you it's definitely him!

Où est Lee Mason de fromage? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 April 2022 08:59 (two years ago) link

my brother-in-law is in advertising, used to live in portland, and would run into dave allen at things regularly. It took him a few times before he realized it was the guy from GoF and not just some random advertising guy

joygoat, Monday, 18 April 2022 13:28 (two years ago) link

Xpost I have a home made box off all the "sing song" bits, so "Yes, yes, I did know that actually..."

Mark G, Monday, 18 April 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Inspired by that latest Dandy Warhols thread, I fell into a clickhole and discovered Zia McCabe is/was a realtor.

Nice interview from 2017: https://www.wweek.com/music/2017/12/26/when-zia-mccabe-got-tired-of-touring-with-the-dandy-warhols-she-became-a-licensed-real-estate-agent/


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