Sublime: Classic or Dud

Sublime were and a remain a dud not because their music was a "fad," but because at the end of the day it was pretty shallow stuff: nothing too great or original to say, and not too many original ways to say it. And before you start throwing words like "reggae" around, do your homework. Sublime were as credibly reggae as fuckin' Ace of Base. Moreover, white rock bands splicing reggae/dub influences into their work is hardly new or innovative when you factor in names like, oh gosh, I dunno....the CLASH, THE POLICE, PUBLIC IMAGE LTD., THE POP GROUP, THE SLITS, THE PAYOLAS, THE RUTS, let alone legitimate 2nd-wave Ska bands like THE SPECIALS, THE SELECTER, THE BEAT, MADNESS, etc. etc.

I find this particularly funny since I bet it was through MTV and a KROQ-style station that you heard of Sublime in the first place...you shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds. ;-)

Please get ahold of yourself and stay off that reefer, son!

"Let the lovin let the lovin come back to me"

RIP BRADLEY JAMES NOWELL FEB. 22 1968 - MAY 25 1996 RIP LOUDOG 1989 - 2001

Watch me.

julio is korrekt, it is brothers not parents (generation gap = marketing scam)

my parents don't really have much of an interest in music (which is OK).

My brother thinks i'm 'mad' (especially after he heard a bit of 'For Alto') so he won't listen to me!

''julio is korrekt, it is brothers not parents (generation gap = marketing scam)''

'ere we go, mark is using 'marketing' as a stick to beat me with yawn...

Call me doubtful on this point.

(oh and btw, DUD)

essentially: chaki OTM

I haven't read the whole thread here, but from the looks of things most of the people that hate are hating the fans, not the band.

The punk rock version of Jimmy Buffet

Subject: Sublime Sure as hell did not inspire this shitty band
From: "ned Raggett is a Fagget"
Date: Wed, May 3, 2006 1:59 pm
To: ned@kuci.org
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Hawththorn heights is my least fav band because hardcore music is gay

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This band is supposed to suck, but I'm enjoying their self-titled album quite a bit! Fun and catchy! Haven't been able to get into 40 Ounces of Freedom yet though.

(Fuck you, mang!)
(I got a bone to pick)

(Don't sit, don't trip)
I'm cutting hits like Bert Susanka's got the shrimp dip
I get it, get it, get it, get it all the time
People wants to know the meaning of the word Sublime
It's anarchist, man, it's the shit you missed
We get the Minuteman loops and add a Peni twist
Cause we know you love the pit, but this is the shit
That you put in the box and say "Damn, it's a hit, boy!"
And at all the radios and the T.V. shows
Cause we don't kiss no ass or kick down free shows
What you get is the kind, no gang, no cess
When Yellow Lover's on the D-R-U-M-S

This is one of the bands that I go back and forth between loving or hating.

It’s the nostalgia goggles talking... they appealed to most people in college/late high school in the late 90’s and in the right context they were a perfect soundtrack, also the mid to late 90’s had some of the worst popular rock music so I’d still take the party playing Sublime over the party playing shit like Live, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, Candlebox, et al.

If I take that goggles off they are frat white dude funk music that fails most of the time.

If I’m in one of those rare “every music I hear sounds great” phases, then I appreciate the quirkiness in his guitar playing and his voice, how good the bass usually sounds and the wasted potential. Usually I think they’re a very bland, mediocre band that just became this sort of flagpole music for a certain type of people because the singer offed himself right in the middle of their most succesful album.

I got to know all of Sublime's hits through MIDI files first

By your standards, Save Ferris and Jimi Hendrix should both get no credit for their songs "Come on Eileen" and "All Along the Watchtower" respectively.

For some reason I felt the need to put on "What I Got" for my 8-year-old tonight. Now, at a distance, I don't care anymore who used to be into this band. This song is perfect, so light and yet so rich in thrilling detail. Did people think this was supposed to be ska? It doesn't sound anything like ska. It sounds like itself. It sounds like what you wanted to sound like when you fucked around with your shitty acoustic guitar. This is some eternity-level pop.

It's a good song, it makes me want to keep hustling.

easily in my top 200 all-time. I don't think I have another song that sounds quite like it. still gets played all the time. still sounds fresh every time I play it.

Oh wow, is it safe to come above ground now and wear my 40 oz. tshirt openly once again, or is this some kind of elaborate sting operation?

Counterpoint: it's a shitty song.

And no it's not ska, no one says it is

Today, SiriusXM’s Grateful Dead Channel was playing a Sublime cover of “Scarlet Begonias,” which felt like high crimes & treason.

Love's what I got
Don't start a riot

That's a cool cover, with the funky drummer loop xp

I often think that Thanx would make a good poll, but every time I start to divide it up, it ends up looking like it would have to be 4 or 5 separate polls or something and I give up.

One thing that I learned from reading the lyrics though, is that there were sections that were largely dedicated to rap and reggae artists at the end that were cut from the CD versions. I had an old Skunk Records copy of the 40oz to Freedom cassette though and don't remember those verses being on there.

Alright, before we get it started:
When we did, "Smoke Two Joints", that was jacked from the Toyes
And that song, "Rivers of Babylon" was written by B. Dowe and F. McNaughton

Alright now, crucial thanks out to the Happoldt, Nowell, and Wilson families for their patience and support. We love y'all! To all the players who made this possible: thank you very much! (Yeah, the check's in the mail.) To Kelly Vargas for steppin' in there and makin' it happen. To LBP, the world famous Juice Bros, the Field-Marshall Goodman and the man called Floyd-I. Thanks out to Bad Religion; the Descendents; George Hurley; and Mike Watt. To all those flops, but only when they ain't hangin' out; to Toby dog-(whistles)-to Louie dog, to Matt dog. James Brown; the BSM, to Miles Davis; To Ken the All Night Rocker; to South Side Pat and Cathrene --- whazzup dude?! and, alright, now best wishes out to Ino and Shelly, and their baby on the way

Hey, up to Jimi Hendrix to Beer; to Sonic Lizard; the Rapeman; how about Bob Marley, Bob Dobbs, and Bob Forrest; to all those punker sluts; to Eek-a-Mouse; Tom for lettin' us practice; and Crass; chilling, and partying all night; Peni; Fugazi; Rhino '59, Reek One; the Last Pariahs; and Naomi's Hair. How about the Butthole Surfers, and Frank Zappa? ANB, Big Drill Car; Bert Suzanka and all the Ziggens' around the world; to Jack the Third; to Julia Parker

Hey, Jeff the King, where's my mic stands? Martini with his 40oz in hand. To Jai Dodds, and his son Christian. I gotta say thank you to Scum; Hard as Smoke and Cheap as Wood; to Scumette; and the Vandals. How about H.R. for 'nuff inspiration, 'nuff respect? Hey, Nik "Tweak"; Joanne; and Carolyn. Hey, I gotta say whazzup to fuckin' Snow, and Bam-Bam and all the East Side Stoners. St. Tucko; Shawn Stern; the Kenji Easley Project; Steve Zepeda; and Richard Greco and everyone down at Bogart's. Thanks a million. I gotta say what's up and thank you to Dave Shea and Greg A. Without them, this wouldn't be possible. (Oh yeah, your mom called and said you guys should take a nap!) To Sacramento; BMD; and Danny Lovitz out in Arcata. I gotta say thank you to Diet Fade; Imagining Yellow Suns; every one out at Ben is Dead; Kevin Swinson; Frija; Cold Duke Train; and Wister; and how could I not thank Mark Mandoo, and the One Live Crew; and all the Lakewood posse? Mr. Capoo; and the Antioch posse, especially the Johnson family --- whazzup, Ms. J.?

I gotta say whazzup to Dirty Al; Jennifer Henry, and Kelly, too, out in San Fransico; Lisa Johnson in Austin; Tonto; Jimmy Carl Black; Mercado Caribe in Austin. Thanks a lot, Lee, for gettin' us in out of the heat! Jimmy's in New Orleans; the Hardback in Gainsville, Florida; Mark Goodnight for his psycho pad -- alright, we stayed at this guy's house, and when they had them murders back in, like, '89, a guy and a girl got hacked up in his pad and we stayed there, but, ya know, it was great! --; to Jack Tripper (even though he don't know a goddamn thing about Orlando!); to Ingrid in Arcata; Rusty; Bermuda Pete; and Sara; Shannon Boyle; to the Spacefish (sorry guys, maybe next time); NKOTB in Costa Mesa; the OK Hotel in Seattle; to Joel, for gettin' us that shit at Waves. (We needed that, man. Thanks, bro!) To Ninja Man; Tam; D'arby Crash; D. Boon; Alex and Eka (come visit, goddamn it!); Grin; Craig Caskey; Dave Kornblum; Beth Larson; to everyone at the Church of Rock and Roll

We gotta say whazzup to Cori and her best friend Georgie; the Meat Puppets; Tar Babies; Kate and Frank out at Zed's; Scott down at Ten Ton; every one down there at Deja, thanks; CMJ enterprises; Molly Cantrell; Courtney Beat-mon; the Mecca Parks and Recreations Department --- fuck Twentynine Palms! ---; hey Lisa G., what up, punk? To Kimmy, for "Scarlet" Inspirations; to Bus Face; to Soup-lime; and the Mentors

We gotta say thank you to the entire hip-hop community, especially the man they call Just ICE; Kris Parker, more commonly known as KRS-One, for 'nuff inspiration; D-Nice; Queen Latifah; Shelly Thunder; the motherfucking trigger-happy Geto Boys and Public Enemy Number 1; NWA, and the man they call Ice Cube and the goddamn Lench Mob. Don't let me forget Cypress Hill and the whole Southgate Posse - You guys are in the house

Scott Cunningham, motherfucking Peace; Gina G.; that long-haired soundman dude; Prince Jammy and the Scientist, gwarn!!! Ini Kamoze; Tenor Saw; Super Cat; Major Mackerel, Daddy Tiger, Major Worries; Half-Pint; U-Roy; Daddy Lizard; and everyone on the Redman Superpowered, gwan; Shinehead and Shabba; the Beastie Boys; Maggie and Jules, and the Arlington Crew; Ranco Tires on Anaheim and Orange --- "Always the Lowest Prices!"---; and YOU! Peace and Unity, and we're out for now. I'll see ya!

wow never knew about those extra shout outs

I recently discovered the half pint track that “what I got”’s chorus is based off