B-52s: Classic or Dud.

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1st 2 records classic. Tons of great songs, but no classic albums after that. Also no duds.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

cindy is the woman of my dreams.

di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

How did I not know Ricky Wilson was DEAD? He'd better have died saving his two year old cousin from an alligator or something heroic like that

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

AIDS heroic enough?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, why not.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
IT'S 2525 AND WE'VE GOT THE HOTTEST WIGS ALIVE!

Shaeky Mo Collier, Monday, 18 April 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know. "Whammy" has some wonderful songs ("Butterbean," "Legal Tender," "Song for a Future Generation"), and so does the one after that, after Ricky died. If you can find the original LP edition of "Whammy," they do a rather good Yoko Ono covers (and one of the first).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the LP but I guess it aint the original cuz its sans any Yoko Ono songs. What did they cover? Hopefully either "What a Bastard the World is" (her best tune ever) or "Mind Train"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 18 April 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Shakey: they covered "Don't Worry, Mummy"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

whenever I worry that none of the music of my youth still holds its appeal (some albums lose their original kick and gain a new one I never would have noticed before) I throw on Cosmic Thing, which - fuck it all - still sounds like a million bucks.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The newer editions of Whammy replaced the Yoko cover with "Moon 83"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

they're classic. saw them on the "cosmic thing" tour and had great time. still love "whammy" and "legal tender" best of all their stuff.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I want the original Mesopotamia EP -- as in the original David Byrne mix -- on CD. I like the 1990 mix (where they pretty much un-David Byrne-d it), but the original one is excellent too... it's as if Byrne used the B-52s as a vehicle to compete with the Tom Tom Club in '81/'82... that EP is an oft-forgotten gem in the canon of "post-punk-disco".

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

That said, you can a near mint copy of the EP on vinyl for pocket change.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I should underscore that the arrangements for most of the songs on the original vs. 1990 remix of Mesopatamia are like night and day. The original is far more sparse and dubby, and entire chunks are either amplified and echoed, or just muted out. The 1990 mix is just a nice succinct "rock" mix. Both work, but both are practically different releases.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread is bizarre because people keep saying the cutoff poing for when they were good is before/after Cosmic Thing, but they only did one album after that, plus a handful of tracks for soundtracks and greatest hits comps. it's not like there's a whole big era of output past that point. and really, Good Stuff has its moments, and I love one of the then-new songs on the Time Capsule comp, "Hallucinating Pluto".

Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

and I think there's probably a lot of bands whose last album was their weakest but people don't always feel the need to add the caveat of "they were pretty good -- up until [x]"

Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I like quite a lot of "Good Stuff," even the instrumental. It didn't do as well as "Cosmic Thing" and it was remaindered almost immediately, so it's always perceived as a flop.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Well then, I'll clearly say I think the band jumped the shark after Whammy!.

Ricky Wilson was essential.

Of course, the story is sad (literally speaking) immediately after, so I can't blame the band for Bouncing.. not being up to par (though I love "Summer Of Love").. but I only like 3 songs from Cosmic Thing and can't stand the rest and what followed.

the Fred Schneider solo record Fred from 1996 is awesome, however. (and I have Martin Mushrush to thank for turning my head to it.)

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 18 April 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm guessing I would have missed Ricky Wilson more if Cosmic Thing wasn't my introduction to the group. To be honest I think the first two albums pale in comparison aside from Cindy Wilson's big show off tunes ("Give Me Back My Man," "Dance This Mess Around").

Oh and if I can make anybody feel old here, then :)

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post) yeah, donut, I don't really have a problem with people saying they were no good post-Ricky, they were more or less a different band without him. my gripe about the "after Cosmic Thing" comments was more about semantics than anything else.

Just Fred is indeed great. letting Fred rage over Albini production with backup from Six Finger Sattelite and Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet was an inspired move.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the other Schneider solo album is a little more tame but only in the B-52's definition thereof where a guy talking about the monster in his pants can be considered "tame".

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

as far as making people feel old, the 2 songs that I always can distinctly recall from my youth that I liked when they were current hits were "Love Shack" and Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer". for some reason I enjoy the fact that I showed an affinity for goofy white funk from a very early age.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Effortlessly classic! (possibly the most redundant C-vote ever though, given the love here)

Good to see love for Whammy!, which often seems to be overlooked. But now I'm very worried about my version of Mesopatamia.

xpost: Haha, I just listened to that goofy white funk on Gabriel's So for the first time since I was a child. Woo-hoo!

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the Fred Schneider solo record Fred from 1996 is awesome, however. (and I have Martin Mushrush to thank for turning my head to it.)

It's really grand. Both albums, actually!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

wild planet is my fav by far.

f-a-b-o-l-o-u-s (adamwest), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Brilliant band through and through.

I'd say Good Stuff is not their worst album. That would be Bouncing Off The Satelites.

everything, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

B-b-but 'Bouncing...' has got the godly "Wig"!!

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a v good album, and it's still their worst!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic - just on the strength of early tracks like "Rock Lobster", "52 Girls", "Dance this Mess Around", "Strobe Light", etc. The Cosmic Thing singles, "Love Shack" and "Roam", don't do as much for me.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But what about "Channel Z" and "The Deadbeat Club" (ie the other Cosmic Thing singles)?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I ever need to hear "Roam" again. But "Love Shack" once or twice a year, yes absolutely.

"Planet Claire" and "Rock Lobster" are classic in the extreme. The vocal on "Planet Claire" begins like two or three minutes in, and Fred is such a delightful spaz. It is a deeply weird track.

Hearing the B52s reminds me YET AGAIN about how rampantly eclectic was the mainstream pop music in my youth.

I mean, one still hears people saying that the 80s were a time of cookie-cutter bubblegum; of Reagan-era bright conformity. But right there on the top 40 as beamed by Casey Kasem into the American heartland, there were some strange-ass records being made--records that I doubt you could get in front of the youth of today.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't remember those other singles, Dan. I may not have heard them.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Deadbeat Club"'s the best song on that Lp (tho "Roam to me comes a SO CLOSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT second, so hmm)!

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

is the album version of "Deadbeat Club" similiar to the remix that appears on Time Capsule? because I always thought that was one of the most boring generic songs on there, maybe I'm missing something with all the love for it here.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The Cosmic Thing song that is the total hotness is "Bushfire".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Sinead O'Connor does a devastating version of "Ain't it a Shame"

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck that's a great great GREAT song

Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

He loved that color TV
More than me

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

That's funny how I was thinking all through this thread "when is someone going to mention the fact that 'Ain't It A Shame' is one of the most beautiful songs ever recorded?" and then the last three posts did. So that's OK.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Cosmic Thing song that is the total hotness is "Bushfire".

DAN OTM!!!! I'm shocked to hear someone else feel that way. Never heard anybody mention it before and its totally a fave.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

DO THE ESCALATOR!

ShakEy Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't suppose that there's any chance that someone has the original Mesopotamia mixes in MP3 format, is there?

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't heard much after "cosmic thing" but until then they had gr8 single but not lps,cosmic thing - i can almost,nealry listen from start to finish.
roam is their best and rock lobster is a novelty song that never gets annoying.who wants to buy my "mesopatemia " lp now i've burnt it to cdr.
their gr8test hits was better than i thought - i bought it for 3 songs and liked 9."flinstones "was different.

fred schneider's chrysler, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't suppose that there's any chance that someone has the original Mesopotamia mixes in MP3 format, is there?

I'm wondering if that 1989 UK compilation Dance This Mess Around has any tracks from the original Mesopotamia... hmmmm.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't Andy Gill once claim Ricky Wilson as one of his guitar influences? Or did I just hallucinate that?

Oh, and obv. CLASSIC!, at least until Ricky's death. And therever after, presumably. (I've only heard the singles.) My fave: Wild Planet. (Partly out of nostalgia, since "Strobe Light" was playing when I first...nevermind...)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

classic

kacka thompson (kacka), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Didja kiss her pineapple?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

THUR-PRIIIZE!

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I still want to know why Kate and Cindy mention Chocolate Devil's Food cake twice in "Cake" (both versions)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah it's a solid LP imo, better than Whammy (which, in turn, sounded MUCH better when I revisited it recently)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 24 March 2024 20:27 (three weeks ago) link

Bouncing Off The Satellites has been out of print for ages. Don't remember ever seeing a copy in the UK.

Good Stuff forms part an extremely incongruous 2-for-1 CD package.

https://countrymusicusa.com/cdn/shop/products/20190320_123_740x.jpg

Wry & Slobby (Portsmouth Bubblejet), Sunday, 24 March 2024 20:40 (three weeks ago) link

Ahahaha!

Well, there are too many horn arrangements on Good stuff imo

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 20:43 (three weeks ago) link

That’s the Blood, Sweat and Tears album where Fred Schneider joined as lead singer

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 24 March 2024 20:44 (three weeks ago) link

Revisiting Whammy a few days ago, I was struck by how tinny and crudely programmed those sequencers and drums are. The songs are okay.

By contrast, Bouncing Off the Satellites bounce off the walls. "Ain't It a Shame" is their Secret Best Song. Sinead O'Connor killed it a decade ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUF5mrKUOVA

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2024 21:08 (three weeks ago) link

can't be doing with any version of that song that doesn't have the Galaga samples

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Sunday, 24 March 2024 21:23 (three weeks ago) link

I totally love Whammy. Alfred, have you heard Plastics? I’ve written this elsewhere but the second time I saw the B-52s Plastics toured with them, and I’ve long thought the “tinny” rhythms on Whammy may have been Plastics-inspired. That period after Wild Planet that yielded Party Mix and Mesopotamia they were obviously casting about for what to do next.

I thought Bouncing off the Satellites was a minor letdown on release, but I’ve come to love that as well. It lacks anything that rocks me like “Trism” or “Queen of Las Vegas” though.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:00 (three weeks ago) link

…which is crazy because Plastics were certainly inspired by the B-52s; Whammy seems to me like returning the favor.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:11 (three weeks ago) link

I think I've said it before, but I love the Mesopotamia outtake version of Queen of Las Vegas (from the Nude on the Moon anthology):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4SAclO9JAE

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:12 (three weeks ago) link

Absolutely, it’s wonderful. I wish there were more outtakes like that, but there really aren’t.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:16 (three weeks ago) link

yo I like The Plastics!! I have their Rough Trade 7"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:16 (three weeks ago) link

Yay! I often use ilx threads to decide what to play. This afternoon: Good Stuff, Whammy, and Welcome Back Plastics.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:26 (three weeks ago) link

Good Stuff needed to be 20 minutes shorter, resequenced, and preferably done with other producers.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 24 March 2024 22:29 (three weeks ago) link

That "Queen..." outtake is what I heard in my head that the Whammy version doesn't produce.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2024 23:06 (three weeks ago) link

i completely forgot bouncing off the satellites even existed until we were listening to a b-52s mix in the car the other week and Wig came on. What a great song.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 24 March 2024 23:48 (three weeks ago) link


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